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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 11:03:35
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Hello
I'm going to release some material of my music,not psytrance my own style of some psy hip hop oriented otherness.A new release after almost 16 years.
I might take some beats of my own therefore I'm interesting in some serious help.
I don't need advice from people that have amounts of theoretical knowledge,therefor google is still useful and I know how to use it.
I'd like to hear some voices from people who already did some vinyl records.
I just want to have my orchestral sounds crystal clear and the bass should be fucking awesome and coming through without loosing anything.
That would be really dope to make it short here.
What are the points I should take some attention?
What about the vocals,is there something to make it different for vinyl?
I tend to use lots of effects for a few places,but maybe I keep my voice raw as it is.Are there some plug ins which I rather should forget when thinking of vinyl?
What are appropriate plug ins for mastering for vinyl?
I think regarding bass and some hertz limit or sth like this.. there is sth to consider with eq.
Also should be the end material at - 0,3 db ?
Is there sth about compressors which might should be done in a different way?
If you have sth appropriate to say and best case have already released something banging on vinyl ,no matter what style,you are welcome and maybe can help me with a good comment.
It's not a drama problem I can release even not a brilliant production since the creation is the point and there are some people who waiting for new material since 94 but I'd like to do it as good as I can.
Many thanks.
Dominik
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 14:26
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 19:28
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Brainbox digital is great if u are gunna at least prepare it
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 17, 2009 01:11
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Take contact with somebody that has experience in this field, email some mastering&mixing engineer that work with vinyl.... hopefully you get some pointers
Otherwise Colin is correct.. i mean you dont play your piano differently if its supposed to be on vinyl or Cd...
but of course there are aspects to consider when doing digital music for analog medium.. at least so i guess, but what it might be i dont have a clue.
"The frequency response of vinyl records may be degraded by frequent playback if the cartridge is set to track too heavily, or the stylus is not compliant enough to trace the high frequency grooves accurately, or the cartridge/tonearm is not properly aligned. The RIAA has suggested the following acceptable losses: down to 20 kHz after one play, 18 kHz after three plays, 17 kHz after five, 16 kHz after eight, 14 kHz after fifteen, 13 kHz after twenty five, 10 kHz after thirty five, and 8 kHz after eighty plays. While this degradation is possible if the record is played on improperly set up equipment, many collectors of LPs report excellent sound quality on LPs played many more times when using care and high quality equipment. This rapid sound degradation is not usually typical on modern Hi-Fi equipment with a properly balanced tonearm and well balanced low-mass stylus."
Good luck
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Sep 17, 2009 23:15
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the most guys in my scene did they records by own and almost always sold anything fast.
And really it lacks a lot comparing the britcore or european hardcore rap or psycore (thats how i called my style) to a good psytrance album like from COOD- as an example only.
But they sell and havent lost any admireres.I had sth in mind about some limit with bass I heard from some musicians but that was about a decade ago.
Thank you for help.
We will finance it by own,not that it would not be possible to do it different with kinda sponsors,but we believe to do it all by own since it is pureley underground and wont get cheeper and we can not afford a big edition also not an engeneer simply not enough cash.
I wish it could happen but maybe later.
I'm glad if it really finally happen again (or when enuff cash for releasing) cuz of toomany years for friends from different places that like it.
Thank you for the frequency report Freeflow.
Cheers!
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ohshit
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Posted : Sep 18, 2009 00:16
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some suggestions that i've posted in another thread:Quote:
| A boy near here prints LPs (even just one copy, typically used by rap/raggae artist).
Here are some of his advices.
Vinyl loses quality near the center (especially at 33rpm) so the suggestion is to put tracks that got more higher freqs at the beginning of the side.
At 45rpm performances are better.
Due its own characteristics under 150/300 hz the record must be mono.
Frequencies under 40hz and over 14/15K are impossible to record.
+ Volume -> less time for side
+ Bass -> less time for side
+ Bass -> the needle jumps
+ High -> low volume
+ High -> distortion
12" a 33 rpm at high volume max. 12 min.
12" a 45 rpm at high volume max. 10 min.
10" a 33 rpm at high volume max. 8 min.
10" a 45 rpm at high volume max. 6 min.
and a lil bit of history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_record
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The mentioned thread is http://forum.isratrance.com/vinyl-is-better-than-audiocd-do-not-debate/
A very useful plugin for this job: http://www.otiumfx.com/basslane.php to control the stereo field of lower frequencies in no time
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Sep 19, 2009 08:10
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I wouldn't agree that vinyl must be mono I have too good examples from friends that it works good in stereo.
I know this otium plug in 2 but its more for bass and mostly I produce my bass in mono anyways.
Thanks for this post ohshit ,interesting infos and links 
Greetings & good weekend
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ohshit
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Posted : Sep 19, 2009 20:54
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I wouldn't agree that vinyl must be mono I have too good examples from friends that it works good in stereo. |
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Only freqs under 150/300 (depending from the rpm and from the dynamics of the signal) due the physical/mechanical limitations of the needles! Have a check (lazy me, i've never done that) 
cheers mate!
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Sep 20, 2009 06:59
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