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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 6, 2006 13:15
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D-Alien
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Posted : Jun 6, 2006 17:41
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hei ppl thank u, a lot usefull advice here. it seems I'm onthe right way. Mr Electrypnose, I Do will contact you as so much ppl have told me about yor extraordinary mastering work. i love your music, its so crisp and crystal clear!!!
I have one more particular question. When I'm going to mix a track, i keep everything below 0db. but when i do the same with the kik&bass they seem to loose a lot presence. a friend told me there is no problem to rise the volume of both even if they are cliping in their channels but later i have lowered the master to -3, -3,5db so that this first cliping doesent occur on the master channel. When i hear kik and bass alone, even if they show cliping in their native channles, i don hear any cliping or distortion, just power! i bounce the track without any compressor so that it stays with itntact dynamics, but later i rebounce this 24bit file with a EQ (elemental), compressor (isotop3) and a limiter (waves L2)... it sounds ok, but still i have doubts if this is the right way to do it... i dont know if this system generates too much subbas....
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e-motion
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Posted : Jun 6, 2006 18:21
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thanks for the advice colin. my mastering chain was an -3db L2 (controllable). it's the simplest way and i'm thinking of changing it to something more complex (L2 ruins the sound too much if it was not compressed before imo). i'll do tests with PSP Vintage Warmer, Kjaerhus MPL and Ozone.
by the way, 'm wondering which is the favorite limiter for a live act mastering chain? |
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MonasticSquid
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Posted : Jun 6, 2006 18:37
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le barde
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Posted : Jun 7, 2006 11:37
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| When I'm going to mix a track, i keep everything below 0db. but when i do the same with the kik&bass they seem to loose a lot presence. a friend told me there is no problem to rise the volume of both even if they are cliping in their channels but later i have lowered the master to -3, -3,5db so that this first cliping doesent occur on the master channel. When i hear kik and bass alone, even if they show cliping in their native channles, i don hear any cliping or distortion, just power! |
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be careful... if you don't hear distortion like a tube distortion (or digital clics), its certainly because the software you use has a softclip on each mixer channel.
i would suggest rather going over with any channel ... increase the volume of your PA to hear the "power".
about putting a compressor / limiter chain on your master channel ..
like colin said.. its easier to have each track mastered.
but i guess colin didnt mention it was with the layers of the tracks separrated.
if you compress each layer, you will have to remake the mix.
indeed, the way is to have a master chain for your whole liveset. Take a kik-bass mix like reference, and set all kik-bass for all of your tracks at the same level.
then loop a moment of your set with full of things and set your master chain parameters.
again i refer on what colin said, its not a good idea to change presets in the middle. you shall have a quiet constant input level, of course.. some margin is allowed.
@stranger .. yeah, multiband compressor is the tool to use ... it may also replace the eq in one way |
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D-Alien
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Posted : Jun 7, 2006 20:34
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punkah
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Posted : Jun 7, 2006 20:34
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excellent topic, amazing no one ever talked about it.
even dough i`m far from having a live act/set, had some great insights on mastering and other issues.
big thx collin and electrypnose for sharing. |
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le barde
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Posted : Jun 7, 2006 23:50
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i refer as layer a group of sounds in the same category. Sometimes also separated.
Kick line is a layer, bass line is a layer, drums are a layer (this one for example is useful to separate in several layers in a liveset, to be able to launch differents sequences at the same time.)
i didn't mean by that term any technical parameter... but it could be think like channels.
for example, to manage a liveset you could have such different layers ::
kik - bass - drums groove - open hihats - snare - closed hihats - lead1 - lead 2 - fx lead.
all this is ready to play, synchronized and you choose when you want to launch it during the set.
its an example.
@D-Alien ... i well got your message, i will answer you pretty soon. |
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D-Alien
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Posted : Jun 8, 2006 00:47
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ok Vince
wow thank u so much as I know U're full of work.
I understuud now perfectly. Though my idea was not preparing the tracks to play them live but to master them and bring them to normal Audio-Cds to play in dj sets 
anyway... the conversations is super-usefull as I'm in a porcess to prepare a live set... maybe from Ableton...
thanx one more time. your advices are so useful
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