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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 15, 2009 22:49:17
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hi, we are finishing our 2nd track right now and we want our tack to be louder, but we wont spend money to any masteringstudio.
so i read some threads about mastering, and its really a pain in the ass >.<
such long plugin chains... is there a easy way to do it our selfs?
best would be to get a plugin and just use a preset  ...i know i know... we really dont want to spend much time on mastering this time, just recieve a bit loudness and perfect cd quality xD haha
any advice?
cheers
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GyPsynate
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Posted : Oct 15, 2009 23:01
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i dont suggest this myself but hey, its your music...
Waves L2, preset= high res cd replication.
Think about all those hours of production that your about to mess up with a bad self mastering.
I know Kri does great work for a good price... if you want to go ahead and do it right.
Mastering is an art and not easy for most, I have been teaching myself slowly for over 2 years and still have just a small fraction of it all figured out.
Good luck!
\\\"Invoking the inner dancing buddha with future frequencies from beyond\\\" ~GyPsy
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 15, 2009 23:19
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i can try to make it louder for you just for fun but if you wanna try by yourself use a limiter/maximizer with fast setting ,listen carefully it don t degrade too much your sound, specialy distortion and transients smoothing |
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Mahruna
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 00:26
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 00:49
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Making things louder is not a problem is it really?
Well im sure PoM can do a good job for you for fun...
Im not a engineer of any kind and by no means professional, i do music for fun and for therapeutic benefits 
But this is my simple view:
Basically you need to check your Rms levels when boosting, often you need to cut some low-end depending what you have done in the mix...
make it louder but dont crush it, it will tire your ears and others.. yeah it will sound big to begin with but even on low volume levels you will feel this annoying thing in your ears...
Firstly when you boost a track you will hear troublesome frequencies, so its a good idea to fix them in the mix... if you dont do it in a easy and sloppy way, this is with FFT filter or some narrowband EQ you compensate for bad mixing by bring down certain problematic Freqs....
And much depend on the material how you will premaster it.... the mix is the crucial part
id say, using T-racks 3 is a very easy solution...
you got the metering there and you got lots of good presets to try...
but the real magic happens when you experiment with slightly amounts of different things... good EQ cuts and sometimes a little tube power to make a warm fuzz... there are so many different ways to get a little loudness
Good luck 
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Elad
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 07:27
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thanks guys, ive got to say that your answers really satisfyied my questions!
@ Mahruna
danke, kenne das vid
@ PoM Thanks mate, we just bounced the whole thing, and ill contanct you if we are ready...
we are really excited to hear it after your fast "mastering".
@ All the others
we also will practice mastering like you said...
so much worktime should be appreciated (~4 months)
have a nice day/night THANKS
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 10:25
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is there any mastering EQ-freq pic for "psy"?
like... 12kHz crisps up HH etc...
my problem is to understand it... if i EQ the whole mix at [example] 2kHz it will effect all instruments!
why the hell doing this after mixing for hours?^^
to recieve any kind of style?,
to make the sounds fitting better together?
ok, in a rocksong i can understand it, but again... i would call this mixing, and EQ every instrument at its own.
cheers
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 11:39
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On 2009-10-16 10:25, orgytime wrote:
is there any mastering EQ-freq pic for "psy"?
like... 12kHz crisps up HH etc...
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i think there is no 
anyway u will find lots of frequencycharts for usual stuff, like hatz,snares etc. could post some later, not at my desk actually, just be some patient
but as you can imagine one chart for psy won´t work, as many different fm sounds i.e. won´t fit this chart, as they´re all different and often not calculatable in their freq. ranges (ones with strong modulations i.e.).
u should learn about yourself. i tried to learn about the freq. of each tone in scale, so you have something to work with and know where to start, where the spots are u like and things like that.
other case is trial and error, but if u know the certain frequencies from the beginning u sure can work with it from the beginning to have not that bigbang of freq. bites at the end. and it´s pretty simple as the freq. just doubles or halfs each octave up or down 
my choice....
for putting things louder feel free to send it (pm or here). think its best beeing able to choose one at the end. and there will be people around here doin this with pleasure and tell u after what they´ve done
i will prepare some tutorial stuff with the charts i have. i think it´s pretty easy to get started and just make things louder and fixing the mix. anyway mastering is the absolutely champagne class and sure an engineer is able to do lots of more crazy stuff with ur music.
one guy over here once said something like "it´s like a beatiful woman which turns from beauty to stunning" or i like to compare it to a raw diamond which is just not more like a rough ugly stone, which turns also into stunning,crystal beauty after process. usually the tracks getting mastered are not that ugly before, but know what i mean
cheers
P.S.: btw, voxengo elephant is pretty nice, for sure ozone4 rockin for this too.
FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
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gutter
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 13:15
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On 2009-10-16 10:25, orgytime wrote:
is there any mastering EQ-freq pic for "psy"?
like... 12kHz crisps up HH etc...
my problem is to understand it... if i EQ the whole mix at [example] 2kHz it will effect all instruments!
why the hell doing this after mixing for hours?^^
to recieve any kind of style?,
to make the sounds fitting better together?
ok, in a rocksong i can understand it, but again... i would call this mixing, and EQ every instrument at its own.
cheers
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get the mix as close as better to the final stage. imo its very hard to master your own music in the same place you work (probably untreated area, no matter auralex and such useless room acoustics) with the same ears, after a short time where you have listened to that track 200 times while mixing it
the tools are simple , an EQ and a compressor and maybe an M/S for widening the stereo field if needed
EQ to compensate the balance, if needed, and wherever needed
A hint from a very good mastering engineer is the Voxengo multiband EQ, where you can precise notch a specific frequency but instead of working full time and cutting all the time in this area, which will lead to "move" the frequency "mass" to another area, will work dynamically and instantly to the desirable problematic area (Or a very expensive analog EQ for a "musical" touch and the color)
This again is a problem for the first reasons mentioned, the room acoustics and monitoring, for mastering you have to have the best frequency response possible, and be extra careful and observant and SURE on what you listen
Then i saw the use of the compressor.. This was fu&^^ng WOW
Never saw such an approach before with using compressors..
You can make the compressor work according to the bass movement, or the snare!. Try, listen, judge .. You can make your track "depended" on the movement of the small hihat with the compressor, which is probably not useful for trance since the most usual meta center is the kick or the snare
The use of the compressor change the hole movement of the track and defines it, im still a bit confused with that
The thing is to keep the dynamics.. Basically its everything !! Dont use limiter
If i had the chance to sit and watch more often to watch these techniques and "feel" them better i could explain better
imo try and make a fucking great mix with good dynamics and dont care about mastering
another thing especially in the electronic music is the mix to "follow" - frequency wise - the ear curve, like having a small curve in the 1.5 - 3.5/4 Khz area, i think this is the "ideal" in that music
You can always get some good books too on that
Wasnt very helpful, i know
ps dont make it louder |
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 13:16
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 19:05
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orgytime man when you want you can send me your track but don t expect lot of improvements , it s not night and day ,the better the mix the less your track ll sound different after a mastering specially when using only softwares. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 19:51
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On 2009-10-16 13:16, -=Mandari=- wrote:
me again, like i said, some pdf tutorial stuff:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R4FZ40TG
sorry i was not able to upload some video stuff, was too much for one file no time to split, sorry.
anways, u should have a guideline now
enjoy, cheers
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Most of that is in German! not so helpful for everybody! hehe
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 11:38
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 11:53
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imo try and make a fucking great mix with good dynamics and dont care about mastering
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thats the way to go. a good track is one that needs no mastering... try if it still sounds good on your radiocassette player, pc speakers or desired mediaplayer maybe with "loudness" set completely on. raise up all eq faders and just have a listen.... if it still sounds good and not that distorted, crunching all time, then u´re on right way imo.
agree on the louder thingy. dont make it louder, this is just a hype!!! think about if there is a need for it i have to say there is no. the track is always played through a soundsystem however and whatever it is, it´s there to "amplify" the music
it´s the djs job to adjust the level of the tracks he´s mixing. only important thing is that your one sounds good to you and your ears this is what´s makin your style of sound, ...what u hear and what u think sound has to be like
cheers
FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
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