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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 21:25
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Hey ppl. I have a doubt about mastering a cd...
Listening to the new TIcon CD "Zero Six After", I realise that some tracks has differnts volume peaks... Also some tracks seems to be very compressed(square wav), and others seems not to be...
My question is: is it about very distinct kinds of mixes they have??? Cause I think they can have more volume with same dynamic(wich is always the issue: volume x dynamic) on some tracks... And why not making all cd at same db level?
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makus
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 23:06
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the main aim of mastering is getting the best possible subjective sound quality for the certain "mediaholder" (CDDA in owr case). If it is an album mastered, all tracks are beeing led to some unified sounding. they should be smoothed by the volume and specter to create one whole solid undeluted idea.
the mastering estimation should be done only after moving tracks to the specific purpose "mediaholder".
actually i didn't listen to Ticon yet, dunno why did they made it that way but imo its not allowed. otherwise what is mastering for?=)
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 00:39
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Indeed.
But I need to say I have NOTHING bad to say about the sound quality of TIconīs last album. Itīs outstanding music and production.
I was just amazed when I saw so differents peaks and compression on the tracks...
Anyone want to join with some ideas?
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makus
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 01:24
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2 SMS: well man i understand your 'confusion'. it is really strange issue.
btw i'm 100% convinced that psychedelic trance/chillout producers are making their best when it comes to music. i mean that there are lots of absolutely unknown guys (mmm girls?) who make psytrance on the high level, they dig deep (heh) in technology and new stuff and old stuff. maybe i'm wrong, correct me if so, but it seems producers of other electronic music don't care so much of technologyand ideas and quality as... mmm WE=)
it can be easely explained - psytrance is one of the most tough styles to make. maybe even the toughest. mostly all methods of synthesis can be used here, mostly all effects, electronic sounds and natural musical intruments.
and i'm fuckin proud of that hehe =)
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 01:49
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Well nolightatend... I can get your point about album being personal. But this thread has nothing to do with "copy paste" music....
My doubt here is about MASTER... All mastering guys I talked to said to me they work with SAME peak value for all tracks... -0.1 db to be more precise. And I realise some tracks on Ticonīs album has this value. But some doesnīt! And thatīs my point: cause in some cases they lose volume and power to one track to other... Maybe they wanted to sound like this, but I think itīs strage anyway.
And Iīm not asking for overcompression or overlimiting here...
Another issue about this same point is some Beatlesīs albuns.... Specially the White Album.. the tracks has so different volumes, that I wonder why they didnīt make it more similar... I always need to pump up the volume when Blackbird starts.... lol
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 02:04
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Yuli
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 03:21
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@SMS
If I understand u correctly then there are tracks at Ticon album that peak at -0.1 db and there are those that peak at -1 db or - 4 db etcetera. The reason for that is quite simple. What u see is not how much compression applied but actually what the ceiling volume is. Those tracks were only Normalized with different peaks, because probably some were with higher RMS levels. Sometimes u take two tracks with same volume peaks ( lets say both are - 0.1db ) but one is much louder - that is why u eill have in a mastering to reduce its volume.
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 04:40
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Exactly Colin. The master is much more for home listening... 
And u are right Yuli. I checked the RMS level and it is very similar to each other... Itīs also good, cause after a "not so much" compressed track a "more" compressed track will sound nice.
And I got your point nolightatend. 
All in all itīs ok! But if thereīs a home listening master.... Thereīs a live act master. Am I right?
If so, my point is that I prefer the live act master instead the home listening one. lol
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 05:08
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On 2005-11-29 00:39, SMS wrote:
Indeed.
But I need to say I have NOTHING bad to say about the sound quality of TIconīs last album. Itīs outstanding music and production.
I was just amazed when I saw so differents peaks and compression on the tracks...
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so why dont u stop looking and start listening.. 
it sounds good but my analizer is not what i thought it would be.. stop being anal and enjoy good music and production
btw - rms is more noticeable then peak .. so compare those is smart idea (btw - never heard this album yet..) www.sattelbattle.com
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 15:44
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AGAIN: I have nothing against Ticon music. Itīs my favourite cd for now! I wonder if u know so much about master that u donīt care about it... If so, great! But I know just little, and Iīm really interested about it, as soon I will need this service.
But itīs funny too see ppl getting unconfortable with this thread... Why canīt I look to the master???? Why canīt I complain, or better, understand Ticonīs masterization???
If Iīm right, Ticon should have other kind of master for live acts... And thatīs cause I realise some real dancefloor filler on the album has some space left on the mix(talking about limiting and compressing). And Iīm almost sure they use it to make the track louder on the stage.
And thatīs my point: Master for album and Master for Live act/Dj Sets. And I like it!
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