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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 03:04
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On 2006-02-09 15:37, UnderTow wrote:
That must have been Colin as it wasn't me.
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Ok...sorry for the confusion.
But you do agree that in practice you could pretty much mix 24 or so tracks all peaking at -1 dB on a 32bit float system and simply bring down the master fader to avoid clipping when going down to 24 bit fixed?
I don't like the thought of working like that but i guess I could just do a quick test to find out without feeling uneasy about it 
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On 2006-02-10 01:45, Mike A wrote:
Of course clipping matters.
But if you have a decent recording device with reasonable SNR ratio, even recording at -12db peak will give much better results than 0db. Agree?
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If we swith the discussion to recording analogue signals I agree it's wise to leave some headroom.
But the topic was concerning mixing and recording down your master inside the sequencer...and in that case I maintain that ensuring that there is no clipping and not leaving to many bits unused is good practice, regardless of if you record in 24 bit.
If you for some unexplainable reason use 16 bit it becomes a lot more important of course.
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orange
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 08:13
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assaf_zo
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 08:36
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Why not to use limiter at the main channel such as waves L3 indtead lower the main channel vol..? |
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orange
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 09:38
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On 2006-02-10 08:36, assaf_zo wrote:
Why not to use limiter at the main channel such as waves L3 indtead lower the main channel vol..?
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using a limiter on the master and living the volume at 0db will all the peaks over the 0db limit will be squashed(limiter=compressor)and will add distortion and make the track not able to be mastered!
its better to lower the master volume or the channel volumes to make the sound not to clip and give the engineer or your self a nice 1-2db headroom for a proper master!
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 11:58
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On 2006-02-10 08:13, orange-atropa wrote:
32bit float is the way i work so even if i lower the master volume by 10db would not matter?
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The master fader is controlling what level your 24 bit fixed will be at so there it leaves the realm of 32 bit float and too low level will result in lower resolution.
A couple dB can be nice to leave for the mastering engineer like you mentioned but having the peak at -10 dB would be a bit low.
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orange
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:00
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black_cat
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:01
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using a limiter on the master and living the volume at 0db will all the peaks over the 0db limit will be squashed(limiter=compressor)and will add distortion and make the track not able to be mastered!
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hello,
agreed, limiting at 0db is not recomended, but a gentle limiter to soften the highest peaks, set to, say -0.2db isn`t alway a bad idea. of course i`m not talking about some heavy compression, as for mastering for wider range of cd players is recomended to go max -0.1db better -0.2.
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its better to lower the master volume or the channel volumes to make the sound not to clip and give the engineer or your self a nice 1-2db headroom for a proper master!
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yes i think for mastering is best to use dry mixdown without any limiter or just very soft and leave headroom, even -3-4 db should be no problem. also depends on bitrate. less is more here (not bitrate huh )
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charles
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:17
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On 2006-02-10 08:36, assaf_zo wrote:
Why not to use limiter at the main channel such as waves L3 indtead lower the main channel vol..?
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because of all the things explained in the first pages
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assaf_zo
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:19
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thats the thing i use limiter on -0.2 always
offcourse i dont start with him but at the end of my track ill add him
i think a good limiter wont squash ur highs that over 0db but soften them |
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index
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:27
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So...if u have a 70 track nice balanced mix with 15 ch at least with automated ch volume and master ch clips at +2 db what do u suggest?
Messing up with the mix again
or just fade down the master??
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assaf_zo
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:32
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what r those numbers, ur going for a war hehehe
i think for ur question, after mix was done
l3 is ur answer
btw do u compress each channel? |
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black_cat
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:33
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nice balanced mix doesn`t clip imho. but i know what you mean. lowering the master fader could help. but i would suggest you to make the project more organized. than you will have much more less channels than 70 to work with... |
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black_cat
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:37
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i know producers that don`t care if they`re clipping.
the overall sound is what counts. mastering for printing the discs can be done later. but it`s always better to have overall mixdown not very hot |
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orange
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:38
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@index
yes lowering the master fader is the best if some over 0db clipping occurs
if the overcrowded mix is not clipping at any time the master no reason to lower the master volume at all !
also iff 1 or 2 sounds only clip the master its better to lower them than the master fader!
but i still suggest tracks that are ment to be send for prof mastering its obvious that nothing must be in the master channel!
if they are for private or a live use than it good to pump and limit the volume of the track before !
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assaf_zo
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 12:44
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that true and a fact dont use limiter if u send for mastering.... but u still got to have a taste thats is the basic lesson of that post... dont fuck with the limiter on main chan. unless u want to hear ur shit at the end in full effect in L3 try chosing EXTREEM ANALOG profile with MASTERING CD preset, ull be surprised
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