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orange
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 23:05
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john_c
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Posted : Feb 8, 2006 23:47
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yes. from what i read recently, for every 3 db u lose x (forgot the number) number of bits of information. |
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Triplex
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 00:57
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 01:09
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shit this is a revelation for me!! so its better to make sure you lower each channel in volume until the master doesn't clip rather than put the master fader down?!
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S.D6 (Yakir .B.)
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 02:05
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you lose frequencies, but, if your sound quality and your mix is really good you dont lose anything because the good eq and dynamic effect's make's the track sound's higher and better..
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charles
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 02:24
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No, you don't affect quality if u lower the volume (-3, -4db) on the master channel to avoid clipping.
as Triplex said 6db is 1bit, but as everybody knows in Psytrance, at the end of a mix, you have all your track going almost to the Odb and very few times under -6db!!
it means in a psytrance track (and in all electronic and compressed music in general) we have only 1bit of dynamic range!! (except for the fade in intro or outro)
we almost don't use the 90% of what a 16 or even 24 bits dynamic range can offer.
to reduce to 1bit range is nothing, it's not like if u "truncate" to 48db (8 bits), to increase the level again after.
It's even recommended to lower about -3 db to avoid clipping, many small informations can be too close to the "over" and be read as a clip in another digital system, and above all, you leave more space to your sound. It's also recommended to lower because digital filter during the mastering process can overload.
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e-motion
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 03:18
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so charles there's no need to mix to -0.0db ? |
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charles
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 11:59
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no, to be too close to -0,0 db can't assure you won't have any overload generated by a digital filter (which can overload even if you set it for an attenuation!) or by a sample rate converter (try to mix at -0,0db and then convert to another sample rate, u won't have -0,0db anymore, you will have sometimes overload!)
so as you can see, many digital process used in mastering can overload your signal if you deliver a mix to close to the -0,0 db.
also some informations too close to -0,0db can be read as a distortion for another digital system.
you don't have to worry about lower your mix to -3 db, there is nothing to loose and everything to win.
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orca
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 13:26
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you should deal with cliping before you lower the master.
effects,eq,compressor and all this kind of proccesors on the master-you should put them after your mix is good and without cliping.
deal with each channel befor master. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 13:27
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u only lose quality from low level mixes if u intend to boost the final mix.
The point of getting high volume mixes is to have better precision in the final product after mastering. If ur working in 24Bit then really this doesnt matter.
Anyway soft mixes dont mean bad mixes, in fact good dynamic (lower volumes at different times) range adds airiness 2 a track.
Sure the maximums in the track should b mixed as hot as possible but not all of a track has 2b at max volume right throughout.
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 13:44
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i tend to agree with orca.
tho triptych and perfect stranger got great sound quality.. and both advice that its ok..
charles.. what u think of one channel clips while master fader is down u wont notice that... aint the sound still distorted?
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charles
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 14:08
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On 2006-02-09 13:26, orca wrote:
you should deal with cliping before you lower the master.
effects,eq,compressor and all this kind of proccesors on the master-you should put them after your mix is good and without cliping.
deal with each channel befor master.
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not always
as i said, even if you have no clip on your master, and that after u make some process after mixing, you CAN overload.
I gave 2 exemples :
-when u use digital filter and EVEN if you set it for an attenuation
-when u change the rate convertion, a mix under 0db can overload as well and go upper
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charles
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 14:11
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On 2006-02-09 13:44, tsabeat wrote:
charles.. what u think of one channel clips while master fader is down u wont notice that... aint the sound still distorted?
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if your channel clip, the sound of this channel will be read as a distorted sound in the master, even if the master meter is below 0db
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 14:32
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charles
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 14:55
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if your master meter show -2db for the maximum level, it's ok...no need to turn your master fader down 
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