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D7uan
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 21:34:48
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you know ive been thinking that sometimes you wish your favorite synth had something extra and it just does not have it....so what if I begin to make my own soft synth...i know it will be hard as fuck and I have no fucking clue where to begin but it would be cool if someone could point me in the right direction...i mean it would be a synth exactly how you want it and it will not sound like anyone else because only you will have it...so how do I begin...maybe im way over my head here but i dont know?
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faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 21:42
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piXan
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 22:10
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 22:19
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D7uan
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 22:28
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right on thanks alot faxinadu
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faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 23:38
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 04:56
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Well ... SM and Reaktor are very scalable ... but yes they can be ridiculously hardcore.
If you want to build a basic synth in either you'll be up and running nice and quick.
On the other hand ... I'm building custom GUI interfaces in Synth-Maker, and trust ... it's actually harder than coding by hand in C++ ... as all these visual environments have some pretty weird ideas when you get really kinky with them!
Reaktor core modules ... are not really how I think about audio at all although anything is possible and I highly rate the software ... but in core modules I still feel like I'm speaking a foreign language - especially with there 'latch' system.
SynthMaker seems to make more logical sense at its lowest level to me ... but it can get very very very odd about GUI stuff. Also worth saying that the ability to control individual voices in a polyphonic synth is not easy to handle at all, and if you want to build a synth with unison, you're gonna have to do some extensive coding to make it work - and it won't be CPU efficient.
With both, if you want to have certain signals sample accurate ... be prepared to spend as much time learning SM or Reaktor as you would learning the VST SDK.
I'm quite serious.
The biggest problem they all have is that they are not properly object oriented, ie you cannot dynamically instantiate a voice or anything else like you would in Cplusplus. You can workaround in various ways, but it tends to get pretty RAM and CPU itensive - more so than something coded the old fashioned way.
Outside of that, reaktor and SM are actually pretty much fully fledged programming languages ... SM in particular, as you can make .exe files ... no need to stop at audio, code anything in it apart from 3d accelerated graphical stuff!
My suggestions on how to roll according to what you want to do goes like this:
Plugging premade stuff into each other with minor adjustments - SM
Plugging more complicated pre-made stuff into other more complicated stuff with the software still holding your hand over micro-management but the ability to take control of most of it - Reaktor
Total synth micro-management (ie full on development) - SM .
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faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 05:04
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yup
this is why i suggest for someone who wants the flexibility but wants to spend the bulk of the time making music, to use something less low level like the nord modular or creamware scope modular. something that is lke a virutal analog modular, not a digital low-level design environment.
tassman is probably the best pc choice. has there been any good va modular released recently? i haven't been following the software releases the past two years.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 05:15
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yeah, I would agree with that - I've only ever seen good things about the Nord modular too.
Tassman has a huge amount going for it if you just want to get on with it.
SE ... is where I started, but if I'm honest, I don't suggest it as particularly useful.
It can sound great, but the effort involved to get there is ridiculous.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 05:27
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yah synthedit only sounds good if you really know what you are doing.
for taking just an few oscs and filters... SE just sounds wrong.
too bad though, because design in it is very simple.
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D7uan
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 06:17
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thanks guys...well Ive already made my decision and I am going with Reaktor...plus I work on mac osx and logic...and I couldnt find SM on mac not that i looked very hard either...and as far as learning Reaktor well I pretty much got my whole life ahead of me to learn it and Im pretty sure its worth it |
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D7uan
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 06:26
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hey faxi nadu what tracks on your album did you use reaktor on, just curious? wanna see what it actually sounds like on a psy track
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faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 06:31
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i didn't mate, i haven't used reaktor in about 2 years, so in all honesty it might have gotten really awsome since i used it (not that it was bad) but i just don't know....
what i do use the most is the creamware modular. been using it on almost anything for many years now.
the last album not so much while working on the tracks, but many of the drones and fx and sounds come from it.
you will be happy with reaktor i am sure. even if you don't build insane things right away, it is worth it just for the nice factory patches that come with it. nice synthesis platform for sure.
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D7uan
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 06:49
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fuck that shit looks insane...not that the others look any easier...but it reminded me of the first time I ever laid eyes on a synth...like wtf do all these buttons and knobs do...lol
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 12:23
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i wish all the time i could change things in synths,mostly thinking if that synth could have the filter or the osc of this one things like that lol..i envie programers ,the ability to make a synth sounding to their own taste |
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