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Making several elements one...Compression settings
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ecsmix
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Posted : Jan 9, 2009 17:13:08
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I would like to know your approach to "glueing"(make them one):
1)kicks
2)claps
3)snares
4)bass
I know some use EQ,envelopes,compression,limiting, but what's the settings and can we do it by numbers based on the BPM?
Is multiband better for this?How?
Please elaborate, I meant by numbers based on bpm because sometimes if you don't have a very good monitors how do you know if you reach a really good kick,bass or how you know you could push it more with saturation and stuff.Because all this will show better big sound system in a very loud volume.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 9, 2009 17:16
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mix them right 
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ecsmix
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Posted : Jan 9, 2009 17:29
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hmmm never thought that |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 08:13
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first of all try not to mix kick too loud... and depending on what you want focus on mix the bass accordingly..
i like to have the bass beneath the kick, but it depends..
best is to just practice mixing in different ways and listen what you like best... also listen to others mixes and find out how they done it....
of course it can be real good to use groupchannels..
grouping stuff is always a good idea..
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ecsmix
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 21:38
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what I meant was technics and compressor (ratio,attack,release)settings and which compressor goes well with which elements, parallel compression do u do that?which cases, stuff like that.
But I think this is the gold, nobody wants to cough it up...lol no problemooo |
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dija
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 22:13
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the compressor settings depend on your track you go about setting your compressor like this if you are just evening out levels.
find the peak of that group and set your threshhold a bit below it and send your compression ratio 2:1 or 3:1 then apply gain as necessary to bring it back up to volume. there is also the attack and release which also vary on what type of instrument your using. eh perhaps compressor tutorial video time?
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jizy
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 22:52
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it think u mean a compressor on a group send or on indervidual channels, for example for snare compressor on that channel to bring out more of a snap? no?
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ecsmix
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 02:26
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dija like that, putting 3 claps together,kicks,snares....and then on groups bass+kicks , stuf like that.
attack,ratiio,release,threshold...how do u find out is too much or need more, or is enough...if u don't have a very good room for master/mixing.
compressing is easy, to bring an element up is easy but avoid messing the dynamics of the sound/mix/group. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 02:33
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Route the kick and bass to a bus track. Make sure that track never exceeds -8db (when each track gain is at 0). The kick should always be the loudest sound in the track (make the individual bass track about 1 db less than that of the kick).
EQing kick and bass depend on how you made them (or if they are a sample) and what type of track you're making. Always take some of the high end out of each of these.
Kick, bass and percussion together shouldn't exceed -5db when each gain is at 0.
Take the low end out of the percussion. You can take more low end out of just things like hihats . There are a lot of other things you can do to individual percussion sounds, you just have to find out where they are at 
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 03:37
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ecsmix
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 04:03
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Hey Ascension, thanks for the input but you answer another doubt I had, this question was about compressor settings based on volume, bpm and how do u know is good enough. doing in groups bass/kick, all percussion, groups for 2-3claps,snares,kicks,etc...
By the way, I am a ignorant as far as levels can you tell me more about those levels u mention?
"Route the kick and bass to a bus track. Make sure that track never exceeds -8db (when each track gain is at 0). The kick should always be the loudest sound in the track (make the individual bass track about 1 db less than that of the kick). "
I am sorry fpr the dumb question how the bass and kick will be @ 0 db and together be -8db.
tHanks
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Ascension
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 08:31
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No problem, I wouldn't know what I'm talking about if it weren't for having spent time talking to producers about the stuff.
As far as the db number is concerned, you want to make sure your GAIN on each TRACK is set to 0. By this I mean the gain that the program assigns the track. You have to adjust the volume on whatever vsti you're using to make the kick/bass/perc to get the desired overall db value.
As far as compression goes, I think it's arbitrary as well. The most important thing to remember is that you don't want your track to always be compressing. There's not real systematic approach to this, just get your levels right and adjust your compressor settings so it's not always compressing. Ideally I would say you want it to compress as little as possible since compression is just a fix for volume fluctuations. BPM doesn't affect your compression level as far as I know.
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 13:39
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 14:04
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On 2009-01-13 13:39, Fragletrollet wrote:
(BPM) But it does have something to say on the attack/release part of the compression...
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hmm yeah but also not really..
1ms @ 135 is still 1ms @ 145 but the lead or perc or whatever is going faster.. so the time of attack and release stays |
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Fragletrollet
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