kylistar
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 10:33:25
Hello!
I've been trying to make some dub songs.
Im a bit stuck on how to do it though.
Obviously the classic dub sound with one note every 1/4(in between the kick, if you get what i mean) wasn't enough to make it sound dubby.
Im guessing there is something special about the bass and how you build the percussion aswell.
Anyone got some tutorial or some advices to give to make dub?
Cheers!
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 12:20
yea, roll some fat blunts for good bass ump. its quite easy and basic arrangement, first u can start by emulating known tracks or songs, so u can get ur confidence up, then u can do ur thing once u got the flowz goin.
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 12:25
Just listen to a lot of dub and get some inspiration, Dub can be easy or very complex, its your choice
you can work in almost any tempo, you can do DnB dub style, jungle dub style or reggae dub, or electro dub... Psy dub.. yeah i think you can dub almost anything...
use google to find more info, but read the first link in my post...
kylistar
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 12:38
okay, thanks will check that out!
I was planning to make alot of different dub, some psychill, some dnb, some dubstep, just need to understand the basics of dub first.
I will check your links out
Thanks you guys!
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 12:44
I used to make some dub, wasn't really good at it ^^
Bass is soft sine wave or preferably real bass like instrument. Can't really tell how to make bass melody, for that you must listen to dub and understand yourself. I'd recommend Ott (Hallucinogen - In dub!!!, Ott - Blumenkraft, Skylon, Mir) for he has the most awesome dub basses ever. Bluetech is another one with really nice atmosphere going on.
Powerfull kick 2 times per bar, snare being pure without kick in the background.
You want to layer lots of percussion, add a bit of swing. Basic closed hihat hits 8 per bar, offbeat _having less volume_. That makes the groove better. Add some hihats between the 8 hits without dropping the volume for some fills. I use open hihats only for offbeat fills.
For offbeat guitar reggae melody I can't really say anything. Use chords, or at least 2 notes playing once. Single notes sound dull. Make different channels for effects (flanger, chorus and of course very long delay) and send lead melody and percussion for fills and such.
Well that's some basics. Hopefully you understood something, im not very good at representing things. Good luck and don't forget having fun while making it
kylistar
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 15:59
yeah, ott is nice
What exactly do you mean with "add a bit of swing"?
Thanks!
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On 2011-03-23 15:59, kylistar wrote:
yeah, ott is nice
What exactly do you mean with "add a bit of swing"?
Thanks!
say you have a percussion pattern going and you want it to groove a little, you could set the quantization to 1/16T instead of the regular 1/16.
if you're in ableton all you need to do is mark your percussion notes in the pianoroll and right click and then hit quantization settings. there you have a couple of options to choose from, but i recommend the 1/16T, gives a nice groove, does well on your bassline too.
although im not sure this is what he meant by "swing". it'll give your tunes a less static feeling however, you should look it up
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 19:01
swing = groove. the more swing/groove you put on your track, the closer it will group 16th notes (or 8th notes, if you designate it this way) together, instead of having them play straight.
for real dub I'd put the groove at around 66...you'll hear the difference.
If you don't know what i'm talking about, just do a quick search in your DAW's manual for "groove" or "swing"
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 20:01
I make some psydub sometimes, very nice as an alternative to psy trance. Can make it really psychedelic but nice bouncy, and fun to work with different things.
1 good tip is to work with organs with delay, which plays in different chords.
And you work alot with percussions.
A flanger on a high hat is many times used in dub.
Im not very good so far, but getting better.
My dub sounds like this(old track tho).
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 20:03
shuffle quantize. definitely shuffle quantize certain purcussion... rim hits between snares, etc - and if you want the classic dub sound, place your hits manually.
this is ABSOLUTELY something special about building the percussion. one of the most liberating things if you want that classic dub sound would be to turn quantize off altogether and just place each dream hit in your beat pattern manually. it will take practice for it not to sound messy (i'd still quantize your kicks, at least, except in breaks) but it's well worth it: gives a much, much more organic feeling.
as for the delay, use 1/8* or 1/4* (eighth or quarter note dotted). even better: at 140 bpm, 321ms will get you 1/8* delay... so make it 320ms for that off-beat, swung, funkadelic classic dub feel.
reverb... most reverb plugins have a couple of presets with 'dub' or 'classic dub plate' or whatever in their names. a spunky, pronounced pre-delay and absolutely soaking decay are key. don't be afraid to drench things in reverb, as your arrangement will be someone sparse if you are making classic dub.
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er... that's all i can think of for now. dub away, friend!
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kylistar
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Posted : Mar 24, 2011 13:58
i have cubase but i think i can do what you say even with cubase.
Thanks alot for the help guys! gonna try all your tips out!
And nice track there grevinsky
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Posted : Mar 24, 2011 14:14
Secret to dub
Keep it simple......
Saturate your ears with music (golden era 1975-84)
seek out like minded people in your area
(no man is an island)
Pray for inspiration.......
°°°ACTS 4:12°°°°
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Posted : Mar 25, 2011 02:55
this is nice !!!!!!!
i was trying to make some dub as well !!
+vibes!!!
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Posted : Mar 25, 2011 03:26
haven't listened to dub in a while. freeflow, that mix is just sooo chill
1.) if you have a bass guitar, break it out and lay down some grooves. That will give you 'swing' right off the bat to work with. Find a bassline riff you like and repeat it.
2.) Use your 1/8 triplet delays with bionic delay, you can turn up the groove on the right or left channel delay to 75.
3.) use those snare rolls with delay, open snare drum sounds can work great and make it sound more groovy I think
4.) Less is more, leave lots of space for your delays - I'd say automate your delays carefully to keep it sounding controlled/groovy instead of sloppy
5.) if you play guitar, I'd say break that out too for chord stabs
kylistar
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Posted : Mar 25, 2011 10:17
yeah i listen alot to ott and trying to imitate his basslines and then work from there.
Im not really understanding what you guys mean by groove, when you say it like its a setting both in daw and delay. "turn the groove up" like its a switch that you can go between 0% and 100%; "now i want 70% groove".
Guess I just have to read some more about it and try alot more
