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timezeroteam
Time Zero
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 01:45:36
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Heyy guys..After all infinites Mother's of basses and kikcs im want hear that you think about creation good percussions bases for you tracks.Many ppl use "ready to use" samples cd loops like a vengeance club or vipzone vinil loops..something like this. I thing this is no good way. Many "no-pro" track very fast identify with vengeance club cd's hardstyle loops. Maybe its good for this style but this no good choice for fullon music i think. Too much overloads and overprocessing sound. Ok we need make our handmade loops. I not say about creation hats ot snares. Only a percussion. Not bongas or congas. Only loops for "rolling" percussion sound. What components you use for making this. "Live" percussion instrument i think is not good for this..its more like fx'ed snares and analog electronic drums. What you think about this?
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geekhorde
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 05:27
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Well, I DO make my own percussion loops, from various bongos, frame drums, snares, egg shakers, rainsticks, dumbeks, whatever I have laying around. Then sometimes I seriously process them. Flangers/phasers/filters. Layer. Rinse, repeat.
Also, for cool sounding 'analog' percussion I'll run my Juno through some stomp boxes (the Alesis bitrman is great for this) then sample and cut-up. Resequence.
And as for samples that are homemade (but made by someone else) take a look at blipdrums, by Saul Stokes. Very very cool shit, and the guy makes his own analog synths, which is where all the samples come from.
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FreakyFreQuencies
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 12:26
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Why using a sample cd's has to be bad way?
You can always use on this samples EQ and other effects and re-edit it to your taste.
Now when You have millions of drum samples every genre creating another have no sense for me.
Proffesionals use sample cd's too (like vengeance for examples) and so?
Problem is not in using loops or not. Problem is proper uses of this loops 
I use sample cd's and one-shot samples on it. I reediting them and arranging to my taste. After that I take a fit loop for more fill sound.
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 12:33
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On 2008-04-17 12:26, FreakyFreQuencies wrote:
Why using a sample cd's has to be bad way?
You can always use on this samples EQ and other effects and re-edit it to your taste.
Now when You have millions of drum samples every genre creating another have no sense for me.
Proffesionals use sample cd's too (like vengeance for examples) and so?
Problem is not in using loops or not. Problem is proper uses of this loops
I use sample cd's and one-shot samples on it. I reediting them and arranging to my taste. After that I take a fit loop for more fill sound.
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The answer is simple: Basing your entire musical carreer on nothing more than playing different loops from sample CDs may make you a proffesional, but that's a DJ, not a musician. It's a different form of art. And hip-hop turntablists and techno guys quite honestly just do it better. |
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FreakyFreQuencies
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 12:52
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Yes but we talking only about drumloops not a bass sequence or melody loops.
Yet you can create music and take some drumloops to it if are fit.
Creative using of loops is same musician like any other of music creation.
When I use in track many one-shot drum samples, 10 synthesisers many of effects, may own sequences melodies and 2 loops im not a musician??
Other thing is using only loops in tracks. This is not musician for me too
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Kitnam
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 17:19
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First, it sometimes changes with my mood, I think both offer a lot of nice possibilities. Both meaning: Selfmade drum/percussionlines or on the other side loopsamples.
On loopsamples its a question what you do with it. In most cases this drumloops are allready full of frequences and elements. Anyway, just putting them on top of your track sounds not very good in many cases. You need to cut them, filter them, crash them, etc. to make them fitting into your track. Its all about reducing them very often, because a lot of drumloops just come along carrying far to much elements within. The very advantage of them are: You can go through your trackcomposing very fast and comfortable (which is very important for creativity and shouldnt be underrated) and they contain some grooves which someone might not be able to do on his own.
On editing loops on your own you need more time, but you can end up with a drumloop which just fits 300% better than an edited loop from outside. In my experiences the track also sounds more open and more dynamic. The very nice thing is, that you gonna find out all the tricks which made thoose loops sounding so great, as more as you do drumediting on your own.
About making them:
Timezero I dont think it depends on the samples as much as like you mix them. You can make a full electronic set out of thoose live-percussions. Most of the drums we face in electronic music we hear are still this recorded naturall drums but they went to a unbelievable editing and resampling process. The other half is still 909 and 808, the rest is maybe a shaped white noise or other synthetics, there is realy not much.
So.. what I think is important to individual loopcreation on your own are following points:
- Filtering/EQ: Lowcut, Highcut, etc. and a lot of that please. On House/Techno they use very often drums sitting on the low-mids and upper-lows which can sound amazingly woodlike by the way. But usually drums for electronic dance need a hell of lowcut making space for the kick and bass and synthesizers sitting in the mids/low mids. Many "naturall" drums will start to sound very synthetic after this point anyway.
- Dynamic: This doesnt means compression only. Use the thing called Velocity.
- Groove/Shuffle: The very secret of the most "cool" drumloops out there. They just come a long with notes without correct timing.
- The combination of all points. Dynamic and Timeshifting makes my day very often.
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Apr 18, 2008 16:36
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I get more satisfaction from programming my own loops than from using prefab ones. For making them i use a combination of drum-machine emulations like Guru and programming midi-tracks that go into Battery or Kontakt. Also, i often use small slices of loops that add a rhythmic groove to a track. I agree with Kitnam on the importance of swing/shuffle and off-time beats. One thing that i found works really good, is to use different amounts of swing for the 'question' and the 'answer' parts in the 'question-answer' style rhythm patterns. And don't underestimate the effect of panning different sounds as well. |
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geekhorde
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Posted : Apr 19, 2008 03:10
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Boobytrip, that's a brilliant idea. Question and answer, different swings. I like that.
Oh, and don't forget Beatburner. It's free now. Very cool to play with. |
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