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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 15:50
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The real problem here is all the established artists, dj's and labels continue to support scumbags like this crew. Money is more important to them than supporting the good guys. They will continue supporting these people in the hope they will get paid their big fees.
And I seriously doubt Mike & Co. have learned any lesson or ever will. They certainly did not after Samothraki 2003 and a later event they canceled in Athens running off with the money blaming the authorities. They have had more than two chances    www.beatagency.dk |
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Tizzy
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 16:15
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Grab your torches and pitchforks!!
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dave arc-i
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 16:19
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Tizzy this might also be of interest to you as well as everybody suffering from this deception.
Has anybody tried googling Rauza Ltd? The company that was allegedly handling all of this for the promoters (please note the removal of the promoters from too close an association with what has gone on by themselves in their press release) and that the one and only mention of this company anywhere on the internet is in the MDF festival cancellation press release. You would have thought that if it was a proper company it would be registered somewhere to show it legally existed.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...aql&oq&gs_rfai
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 16:26
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On 2010-07-09 16:19, dave arc-i wrote:
Tizzy this might also be of interest to you as well as everybody suffering from this deception.
Has anybody tried googling Rauza Ltd? The company that was allegedly handling all of this for the promoters (please note the removal of the promoters from too close an association with what has gone on by themselves in their press release) and that the one and only mention of this company anywhere on the internet is in the MDF festival cancellation press release. You would have thought that if it was a proper company it would be registered somewhere to show it legally existed.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...aql&oq&gs_rfai
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I did find a - Pharmacy - with that name. In Kazakhstan ha ha 
http://www.yellowpageslibrary.com/pharmacy_rauza_ltd_--14082581.html
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dave arc-i
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 16:27
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On 2010-07-09 15:28, Tizzy wrote:
But in light of Mike having time to respond to you, I start to question their PR skills. The people having bought tickets have desperately been in need of info and communication so as to change their plans if need be.. but MDF has been very quiet when it comes to pacifying the public - which is a far higher priority than fighting/blocking you on facebook.
That to me is poor form. There I agree with you.
I hope for their sakes, they are able to redeem themselves through proper public relations, and some proof that they had the necessary measures in place for this festival.
P.S I see you're putting the newly acquired image embedding to good use I like it...
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Hmmm PR disaster you say? Would Robin their head of PR and marketing buggering of from the UK to Belgium for 4 days count as being concerned for others OR more concerned about their personal affairs? I think they are taking the piss out of the lot us to be honest.
Here is a another good use of the image embedding then just to back up what I am saying
You will note that I am no longer on her friends list. Im crying my eyes out here.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 16:35
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She gone to play for another dodgy organizer
Full story here:
http://www.psychedelic.be/v4
I do not know Robin in person beside the emails I have corresponded with her regarding their benefit CD's. And she could for all means also be a victim in this. But it does not at all suit her to go to Belgium for 4 days leaving people in UK hanging with no refund, information etc. That is a NO GO!
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pr0fane
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 18:20
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dave arc-i
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 18:37
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In the last few minutes I have both telephoned Robin leaving an answer phone message and sent a text message suggesting that she takes a look at this thread or the one on Psymusic.
Lets just watch the time and see how long any sort of a reply takes.
I am expecting her to be quite rude about me which should be good for a giggle.
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Suntribal
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 20:47
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one thing is for sure:
kiss your money goodbye 
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 22:44
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I received many phone calls,personal messages through this forum and emails about the cancellation of Mafia Dance Festival.
I will say my opinion in public (just in case anyone cares about it lol) so that i dont have to answer to everyone seperately and because i think that my suggestion to the organisers can set things straight.
In the past a lot of festivals around the world have been cancelled for various reasons,low presale,bad weather conditions,problems with the authorities and the local community,i even remember a festival in Croatia if i am not mistaken that got cancelled after huge pressure of a nearby church that claimed that trancers were satanists and the festival was some kind of a cult religious ceremony or something,i think it was Under The Water festival or something like that.
Mafia Festival is not the first and it will not be the last festival that is cancelled,unfortunately trance festivals and events are not very welcome for various reasons so they face more problems than other big music events.The word rave unfortunately is associated with a lot of bad and illegal things and its like a bad stereotype in our society.
A festival being cancelled unfortunately for the organisers and the trancers is not something uncommon,why it was cancelled though has to be explained by the organisers so that the people can learn the truth and the people who bought tickets will not feel cheated.Everybody knows the risk of buying a trance festival presale ticket but when something goes wrong and the festival get cancelled the people MUST know the truth.
I read the official explanation by MDF organisers and they specificaly said that "All necessary documents were signed and all essential actions had been taken to ensure the proper licensing of the Festival". This means that the organisers have a signed document by the local authorities giving them the permission to hold this festival in Mafia Island. Probably a signed paper by the local council and the mayor of the area, i guess the local council (dimotiko simvoulio in Greece) is the highest ranked official paper they could get as long as local authorities are concerned.
Since the MFD people claim that they have such a paper all they have to do is scan this paper and show it to the people, if they do this then from my side they are 90% right and they were fucked up by the authorities of Tanzania and i am tottally with them and understand that they did the best they could to ensure the authorisation of this festival but the authorities didnt respect the original deal.
You will notice that i said that the organisers are 90% right if they present this paper,i didnt say 100% right because there are two more issues that need to be cleared up.
First issue is that in their official explanation they claim that Basata (the National Art Ministry of Tanzania or something like that like the Greek Ipourgio Politismou i guess) is the authority that bypassed the authorisation they had from the local authorities and prohibited the Mafia Dance Festival. If thats true then the organisers should know beforehand that they should also have an approval from Basata and that the local permission was not enough to secure 100% the organisation of this festival. Ignoring the higher authority of Tanzania when it comes to music events organisation and relying just on local permissions is the fault of the organisers and they are responsible for what has happened. Yes its a small detail probably but its still their fault and since they wanted to organise an event in a foreign country they should have hired a local lawyer or consultant that should have adviced them that they both needed a local permission but also a permission from a higher authority like Basata.
Second issue is the deal that the organisers had with the local community, if the organisers had promised to the local community authorities that before the festival they would have set up certain facilities (like chemical toilets,water pipes,a hospital or i dont know what) in a certain deadline and this deal was not honoured by the organisers then this is something that the people must know because this might be the reason of the cancellation of the festival.
So if the organisers want the people support in this unfortunate situation they must open their cards and present to the people the official legal document from the local authority that permits them to organise this festival in the first place,if they do this then they have my sympathy and understanding and i am with them all the way,if they fail or refuse to do this then i am afraid that no explanation will be enough to explain to the people what has happened there and how this festival got cancelled and why people have lost A LOT OF MONEY on both festival and airplane tickets.
We are here to support you, give us a good reason to do so.
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geotrip
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 23:06
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I Full Agree with you.... and y hope a clear response from MDF organization
``will say my opinion in public (just in case anyone cares about it lol)´´
lol. It Matters, you make a clear picture about the subject and peolple who belive in this persons must have detailed hawsers.
Sad days last ones  . Unbelievable .......
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 23:23
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It could be so easy if Mike & co. would just publish that permit the claim to have. Yet they do nothing except for repeated messages and pointing fingers at the locals in Mafia and an unnamed group they accuse of stopping the Festival (Samothraki 2003 rings a bell?). All this plus talking to people closer to Mike & co., people who actually know more than any of us, makes me suspect a very smelly rat here (not made better by their bad reputation from the past).
I still think a lot of facts are being ignored here:
This is take from the local Hotels managers blog (I do think he has more insight to the whole deal than any of us) who I am sure know everybody in Mafia as he has lived there for 25 years:
* The “organizers” of the event have never sought official approval for the festival from any government authority in Mafia, which is both a district and a Parliamentary seat (as such various procedures must consequently be followed); had they done so they may have succeeded, as – by doing so – they would have given the local people and authorities the chance to review their plans and proposals as any other project would be as required by law.
* No investment has been made in any facilities and services for the “festival” and no plans and details were made available to the authorities in Mafia as to what the organizers had or would put in place. We understand this is one of the main reasons for the Government position.
* The event has never been “undermined”. To blame the hoteliers of Mafia is a red herring. In fact several hotels have taken bookings for the proposed festival and will now have trouble re-filling their rooms due to the cancellation and will likely suffer quite substantially as a result. We have refused to take bookings because we knew that no site anywhere near our hotel would be chosen as it is within a marine park that charges US$ 20 per person per day. Where would we get the vehicles to transport people ? And so many other issues and management problems when we would already be busy with other guests (August is a peak season tourism month)
* Furthermore no bunch of expatriate hoteliers would have so much influence…the final blow for this “festival” – which was never going to happen anyway – was the decision by local elders to refuse to accommodate a trance music festival during Ramadhan and an election year (elections take place in October, so August will be very busy for local politics).
* Yes, it was opposed in principle because no plans were made to care for the visitors who would come to the “festival”. And whether the “organizers” believe it or not we care for the international standing and reputation of Mafia Island and Tanzania and the influences of Western culture on a traditional society. It matters to me what the people think of Europeans and their behaviour, which is not always positive. We asked the Government representatives to request detailed plans from the organizers. Nothing has been forthcoming. In particular we warned that the Government and Tanzania would be blamed for the failire of the event to take place if in fact it was a scam. We also wrote to the EU delegation and Consul for Greece to express our concerns. As it turns out the “organizers” are trying to do just as we expected.
* And then there is the issue of common sense – how would you bring 3,000 people to an island that has no facilities, no transport for that number, no piped water supply, no emergency medical services, etc etc…..it is extremely difficult coping with 30 guests in a hotel here, let alone 3,000 ! SO make your own assessment of whether this was ever really going to happen…..
* The organiser’s website is now bristling with threats of legal action against….Who ? And for what ? How can you take legal or any other action for something that never was in the first place……they never had Government approval to hold this function and approval was required form the local authority, district authority and regional government BEFORE anything could happen.
http://mafiaislandblog.com/2010/07/08/mafia-dance-festival-%E2%80%93-the-debacle-unfolds
Here is the communication between Mike and the local. Judge for yourself and experience how disrespectful Mike is against the local people at Mafia (White Massa behavior?).
http://mafiaislandblog.com/2010/03/19/last-news-from-mafia-island/
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Tizzy
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 23:27
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Well said Detox. *applauds*
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Tizzy
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 23:36
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Beat Agency, with all due respect, im rather surprised that you chose to call a hotelier's words "Fact".. someone who has NOTHING to do with the organisation of the festival. AND nothing to do with granting of permission (authorities).
Regardless of the organisers dodgy history, i would think the organisers story carries more weight than that of an outsider. It's the same as you believing my take on a situation I have no involvement with.
Thus, to call them "Facts" is inextricably incorrect. Rumours (with or without merit), perhaps.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jul 9, 2010 23:42
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Come on now Tizzy how naive can you be? You weight Mike's words more than a local who lived in Mafia for 25 years and with 99.9% probably know everybody there? Sorry but that's just plain naive. I am not trying to offend you but you have seen so much evidence against this organizer and still you weigh his words more than a local who seem to have a lot of facts straight. You call it rumors I call it very liable facts also seen in the light of Mike & Co.s now many hick-ups. in the past such as Samothraki 2003 and an event later on in Athens where they also blamed the authorities for the cancellation and never paid any money back to people.
Sorry but my many years in this scene as an artist has taught me to smell a rat miles ahead.
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