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mad enT - Sative Amejicano ( NEW TRACK - MY BEST ) enjoy guys , this one s darn cool :)
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psyraal
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 14:04
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The only thing i understood from this discussion is.. Well, nothing, but @Vermeee you do realize that i haven't seen any negative comment from CardinalsCartel and i just see you fighting with yourself, relax dude, i agree with you in one thing, crystal clear sometimes is annoying, but then again, dirty is better than muddy right? But back to the discussion thing you're only harming your future feedback, there will be a point when you realize negative feedback is a lot more helpful than just saying: "Best tune i've heard from you" or "Super super tune but there's a melody/tension/etc missing in it".
I heard your tune a few days ago but i didn't had the time.. At the time to write down my thoughts, so i have to listen to it again to give you some help, unless you're chopping down every guy who comes here to help you.
I don't think: "All praise the blue names" but i do think: "Respect and learn from the elder ones".
 
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 15:22
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To me, this is not a good track.. and i can easily point out what i dislike;
1) almost 2 minutes of intro, which seems kinda random
2) The snare gives me a headache
3) It all seems very messy, like you got a good beat going and then just slapped a lot of random atmosphere samples on top. I didn't find a single melody/riff/hook/motif (call it what you want) or anything. I don't find that trippy  i just get nausea
4) The bassline modulates far too often, and always with no reason
5) In general, i think this track gives the impression that you don't know music theory or anything related for that matter - tons of samples with different tonality layered to create a big mess of dissonance
6) You can't just pitch samples crazy in the blind. Well, you can but the chance of them loosing melodic content and going out of tune is overwhealming
I can also point out the things that i find nice;
1) Sound is not bad at all. Not brilliant, but pretty okay
These are just MY OWN opinions about the track, and you don't have to share them or think they're good or bad - you asked for feedback, and i give some. Even of the constructive kind, though very subjective.
And, to make things even better, i also have some opinions about the discussion in this thread;
- You ask for feedback, but you freak out like a hairdresser when someone dislikes your stuff... you even get personal, slashing out, critizising pointlessly.. which you obviously don't like others to do towards you?!
- Don't think you're anywhere near being a musician just because you tried to press some buttons in some software for some years. A good advice would be to learn to master an instrument of some kind, and you can use all the time that you use for whining to practice instead - you will not piss anybody off, and you'll learn precious skills that will help you immensely when comes composing time 
And please don't freak out on me too - i specifically wrote constructive critizism for you, just like you asked for. I also made it VERY clear that my feedback was subjective!!
You will get your chance of bashing me too, when i upload one of my own tracks I have a lot to learn too, you know... in fact, we all do |
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 16:16
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Vermeee
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 00:09
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hey ethik ,
im open for feedbacks like the one audiosonic have done...
but im not open for personal attacks only coz the so called blue name didnt like me because of a comment i have done in another topic...
blamin the monitor ? give me a break...
and he didnt write nothing that could help me..... get better at EQ... lol that s so subjective...
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Vermeee
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 00:36
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hey audio sonic..
i ll pay atention in my next intro to not be so long altho i liked that intro very much 
bout the sounds
tbh the intention s to be a little unclear and messy , if u hear my influences u d say the same from them ...
http://www.procs.se/index.html
http://soundcloud.com/captain_kirk
http://www.ektoplazm.com/2010/mukti-amida
but obviously im far away from them but thats where i want to get... maybe its coz my synths are not so strong yet
i dont use sample nor presets, im tryin to create my own sounds...
and altho u assume that i dont play any instruments ... i play guitar, bass and im learnin keyboard ( altho the keyboard learnin s bein made by my own in the internet )
so u see? im tryin hard... and since here s a workshop not a place of released tracks... i think im postin in the right place to seek for help...
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Vermeee
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 00:40
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Cardinals Cartel
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I dont think you are so poor as you showing yourself But you are an big manipulator ! You are beging to comments and then you attack the one who tryd helping you . Sure ill write you you are need eq and those .. So what you want ? You want me write you an 10 pages of how to produce music ? Thers is 'Mother of bass' , 'Mother of kik' , Mother of everything' go there , You dont need me , Seems You see the world in a very 'Broken' Curve way .. No one have to write you nothing , But we do because this site create for those things , We dont show of and actualy (And if you ever know me better you will learn about me thats im the most nicely person all over the world) But as the same time i dont realy care of your music Good or bad and i sleep great at night with it or without , Blive me i dont think of you or seeing you in my dreams . So if im taking the time and writing you its to help .. Nothing but this , So i dont wait for your apology , I know already who you are (I can feel ..) But my last advice for you be open mind and listen (Try..) You will get only good things from that (And dont answer me now .. Wait .. Answer me tomorrow , After you think alittle .. Because if you shoot like that without thinking - As we already saw you are just talking nonsense) .
And about the blue name and those .. WORK ! , So you will have your own too .
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This is not matter .. Blue , Green , Orang , Yellow , This is all about what you have done during the years at your music life thats all , And i belive if you work hard , Day by day , Hour's , Years .. You will get your blue mark two but you have to work and dream .
But this .. All is nonsense .
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Vermeee
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 01:15
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you again in here with that blue name and pro story ? i thought u said u would not reply in my topics anymore....
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 01:33
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You right ! This is an realy waste of time to write you .
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On 2011-07-09 22:47, Vermeee wrote:
i dont understand how could it become more harmonical and colorful, this track s all bout harmonics lol maybe if i put some noisys of horror trance or some long breaks of full on it would become more harmonical and colorful ?
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I have a friend call Omri Azran (Aka Intersys) Did you know that he made his first Cd release of 'Chimical Planet' With an Pentium 2 and no any special pro monitors or soundcard ? (Yes , Just with the normal one you buy when you got it new from shop - 5 $ one) .
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Sooo, I think thats where it started.
Black Cardinal, while u were brabing about your super great friend, u forgot to read what Vermeee was asking you, cause you really wasnt direct when u said about mixing and music knownledge.
So I think thats were u took it personally and forgot about the main subject here. WORKSHOP.
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Cardinals Cartel wrote: P.s - And belive me (And with all the honor ..) I learn music since im 7 years old (Now im 42) and im on cubase/nuendo almost 13 years .. So what kind of lessons you want teaching me ? .
Dont be arrogant ! , By now you are 'little ent' and will wait in here till you grow up and bring us your pro music .
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And brabing and brabing and being a Hipocrate. sorry, but, its how i see it. Again, u forgot the main subject and let ur brabing talk louder.
But Now, the most ashemed of all. A person who join Isratrance last week, and posting like hes an ASSHOLE, and imo only doing it to DIMINISH a work of a PERSON.
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1) almost 2 minutes of intro, which seems kinda random
2) The snare gives me a headache
3) It all seems very messy, like you got a good beat going and then just slapped a lot of random atmosphere samples on top. I didn't find a single melody/riff/hook/motif (call it what you want) or anything. I don't find that trippy i just get nausea
4) The bassline modulates far too often, and always with no reason
5) In general, i think this track gives the impression that you don't know music theory or anything related for that matter - tons of samples with different tonality layered to create a big mess of dissonance
6) You can't just pitch samples crazy in the blind. Well, you can but the chance of them loosing melodic content and going out of tune is overwhealming
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Atho there are some feedbacks there, If I were the producer, I would be in doubt about this comments.
Cause to begin with, its a New person. Secondly, the sound gives you nausea?!?! or Were u drunk?!?! whats thats supposed to mean?!
Or were u just making some kinda joke, just to see your time pass by?!?!
Im sorry for u friend.
U guys really need to get some Respect, its another human beign on the other side, and u guys dont know anything about the persons life.
So, for Ex: when One say, It looks like u dont have any knowledge in music, it gets personal, cause EVERYONE here knows that if a person its Here in the WORKSHOP its because this person knows SOMETHING about music, and its TRYING to lear even more. Got it?!?!?
Well I guess I made my point here.
Peace out guys.
"Many people would like to destroy the thorn and save the flower, but that is not possible. They are part of each other, and both must keep strong to survive."
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psyraal
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 02:17
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@Full Maya: Read this (It's what Audiosonic wrote):
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3) It all seems very messy, like you got a good beat going and then just slapped a lot of random atmosphere samples on top. I didn't find a single melody/riff/hook/motif (call it what you want) or anything.
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The only (and i actually mean only) thing i read here is the most realistic answer a guy can get about his work (I'm not saying it's my opinion or whatnot)
@Full Maya: Now read this:
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I don't find that trippy i just get nausea
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Here he adds a bit of personal taste into his answer, and this part of the answer.. In another words means that his tune his probably a bit messed up to trip on, i don't see any negative criticism here.
@Full Maya: Keep reading (What you said):
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A person who join Isratrance last week...
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What the hell is this? If GoaGil came here and had his ass signed up on IsraTrance last week would you say the same thing? (Btw are we judging people for how long they've been here? Should we judge people for the amount of posts one has too?)
@Full Maya: It seems that you're trying to add more drama to this bullcrap discussion, and i'm very sorry but i have to say this: A lot of GUYS seem to come here to pick fights with blue names because 'those' GUYS protect themselves by saying that they are noobs and then they go like: "I can talk about you and give you the middlefinger because i'm a noob/recently born baby/inocent person and i don't know that much about music so you can't fuck me over about my music but at least i don't criticize who post their music". <- This is bullshit.
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Full Maya
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 02:56
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NO
I wont read OFF TOPICS in the WORKSHOP area.
ENOUGH OF THAT
If u have something to say to me, pls send me a PM and Ill read.
"Many people would like to destroy the thorn and save the flower, but that is not possible. They are part of each other, and both must keep strong to survive."
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Vermeee
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 03:06
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wtf guys.... i just wanna make music and get help in here... u guys already made it clear that u guys didn like my music...its okay.... i acept it... i cant please everyone
just dont fuckin come put words in my mouth that im blamin the monitors coz u guys didnt like my music...
its very simple...
i wont stop makin music because 2 or 3 bad guys think my music gives them nausea... while 2 or 3 bad guys think it , another 2 or 3 bad guys enjoy it....
http://soundcloud.com/bgos |
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psyraal
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 03:42
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On 2011-07-13 03:06, Vermeee wrote:
wtf guys.... i just wanna make music and get help in here... u guys already made it clear that u guys didn like my music...its okay.... i acept it... i cant please everyone
just dont fuckin come put words in my mouth that im blamin the monitors coz u guys didnt like my music...
its very simple...
i wont stop makin music because 2 or 3 bad guys think my music gives them nausea... while 2 or 3 bad guys think it , another 2 or 3 bad guys enjoy it....
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Send a mod a PM to clear all this off topic messages.
https://soundcloud.com/neervos |
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Jul 13, 2011 11:14
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i wont stop makin music because 2 or 3 bad guys think my music gives them nausea... while 2 or 3 bad guys think it , another 2 or 3 bad guys enjoy it....
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You are very right you should just keep on going. Keep it up, and have fun.. that's the most important thing! |
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