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the daleks
The Daleks
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 10:23
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psychedelic wall of sound type stuff with a little trance and guitar thrown in - made for the all-genre crowd that likes to rock.
thinking about trying to shop these tracks out soon. what do you guys think? go for it, or back to the drawing board??
http://www.anoyo.net/thedaleks/
in the case of the latter, please explain 
thanks!
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the daleks
The Daleks
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Posted : Apr 20, 2006 06:04
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after listening to my tracks again, and some other stuff, i come to the conclusion that its back to the drawing board
for one the tracks are too long, not enough modulation (of key or pattern), not enough breaks or rises to maintain interest, and probably the bpms are too slow (136-138), and maybe fall into more of a tech-house, rock-house type category which to the seasoned listener is probably niether here nor there. a few reviews from other sources said the production and sound balance is good, so at least technical aspects are coming together.
well, keep working at it i guess... 
peace
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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 20, 2006 13:57
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Apr 20, 2006 19:47
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Sent From The Sky : Bass needs more low frequencies and try to make longer notes, it needs more recognition and not only beeps of it (like in 0:56-1:00). I liked the percussion work on the beggining. The starting synth need more modulation and flange, it doesnt sound good.
1:00 what is that sudden synth end? That doesnt fit at all imo.
1:10 why are you changing the bass sounds again?
1:21 again bass sound changes.
The guitar in the background is nice.
1:40 didnt like that stop.
1:54 try adding some flangers or filters to the synths, it makes them more full and sound different than those raw sounds which were used trillion times.
Lots of soundwork needed. LOTS!
The March:
Is this the bassline or the lead that starts? It sounded bad to my ears, personally didnt like it mate. I can barely hear the kick and other synths, make the bass lighter and use some eq, it swallows everything. EQ + compress!
2:18 the bass comes in here. its stronger than the kick and more hearable (not good). Those noises are swallowing lots of freqs, so other stuff is barely hearable. I suggest you to hear some mixing material from the internet. Notice that percussion dont exist here, and if they are the noises taking their freq range so they are not hearable.
6:57 why is the bass becoming so loud there?
LOTS of sound problems here make the hearing really hard and its difficult to hear everything like you was meaning for it to be.
The Arrival :
If you make some small pan games with synths, its sounds way better than without it. I would make the bass more punchy and stronger. cool entarance in 0:14! The bass is barely hearable mate! The most important thing in trance is the kick and bass combo, they must be always hearable. I think kick lacks some low freqs too. You have the same synth for almost 1 12 minutes, this is quite a lot because you dont have anything else. Make more synth lines variation and try to put some effects on them - chorus, flanger, filter, distortion.
The last track was the closest to trance and with the cleanest sound than the first two. Nothing personal here, tried to give the best critisism just as I wanted some other person to do on my stuff. Continue working my friend! As Perfect Stranger said Learning equals Change!
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the daleks
The Daleks
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 11:45
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Sound Surgeon!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is great! that is exactly the kind of advice I was hoping for. i live in Japan, and while a lot of my friends are artists in the scene, when I ask them to listen to my tracks i always get really vague advice back. maybe something to do with the culture, nobody wants to be too direct or what, i dont know, but again, really, really, thanks!!
some info on the tracks- last time i played live, i had way too much low frequency. one of the guys i talked to from Astron said he cuts his kick at 130hz, so thats what i did with these tracks, probably the reason the kick sounds weak. conversely i cut the bass around 60hz, so definitely the bass is overpowering other elements. reading on the forums though, that is what people seemed to suggest...
also he said for techno, its ok to let the kick down to 80-90, but for trance it should be higher. what do yo think? but logic tells me that the bass should be above the kick so then the if the kick is cut at 90 or so, then the bass should be cut above that somewher, and if the kick is cut at 130, then the bass should be cut at 150 or something? does this sound right??
all 3 tracks have the ESM for bass (the arrival has ESM and Trilogy), while the sound of the ESM is good, trust me that f**cker puts out a lot of low frequency, which i agree does cut headroom out of the mix, so yeah...not good..
for the march, about the first bass/lead, actually thats a really old song for me (2-3 years), and the sound is a legacy from the akai s3000 days - i agree its pretty old skool, and might not fit in, maybe time to revamp the part with something else. the variations in the bass are probably due to overcompression.. anyway again good point
really good advice on the flange/effects. i have been kind of neglecting effects lately mostly because of processing power, so maybe time to start bouncing tracks, especially to make room for leads...
btw, the other day (before you wrote this, actually) i took a listen to a few of your tracks on the net. pretty good sound!
thanks dude! and peace!
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 18:41
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I didnt find your low freqs to be too high.
About frequency cutting, if u cut the kick at 130hz and higher, u will be left with mostly bassi without-power-kick. If you cut bass around 60 = this is the bass meat. 60-100 is the meat imo. My kick and bass sounds kinda in the same freqs more or less. 50 and above, depends how i want the kick\bass to sound.
Im not the guy to get those sound advices, Im too young into this but for sure I share what I know with great fun.
peace 
Sound Surgeon
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