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LUOMUHAPPO (Freakdance Rec./Finland) on MATANTRANCE 106.4FM - WEDNESDAY 5.1
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 23:29
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What with those drums really?
We never intended to make Jazz trance... But if u will give me a lead to specific track u will get a full explanation.
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hypez604
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 23:52
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as in "News", percussion sounds pretty mechanical by my opinion at least. if you're working with a live drummer isnt the percussion supposed to sound more innovative? more alive?
having a drummer and still getting to this common commercial sound is eemmmmm uber commercial?
music is supposed to be art, not a product for the masses to buy in a cd shop.
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synapsi
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 00:44
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this thread is some great stuff!  really. i hope that all participants in this would remember that everything great and significant in human existence/evolution has been controversial in the beginning.. i have been obliged to proove this point a few times in different circumstances already. there's always the mainstream and counterculture, thesis, anti-thesis and finally, synthesis . i think that suomisaundi is currently in it's anti-thesis stage (regarding the worldwide situation) and it's understandable, but just give it a chance people! or would you rather be stuck on the same type of aural stimuli for the rest of your lives??? renew... while you still can.
ps. let us not start a war. we have seen it so many times before so I guess we could have learned by now..??
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 01:06
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yo synapsi 
nice words bro
we here in israel have something that u guys in finland dont have i think
its suffering 4 years of fullon loop
4 years ppl make/hear/love basicly same 1 track
ye sure ppl wil say there is fullon and there is fullon
but botom line its same track over and over again and again
so suomi anti-thesis stage is best alternative to ppl that want to hear some different and still psychedelic trance music
i think its best direction of evolution of the psytrance sceene since goa at '96
and it will keep evolving to more beautifull things in the future (somethink that hard to say about fullon)
so as some famous track says "f*ck the F*cking F*ckers"
keep rocking 
Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 09:56
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as trance fan from (good)full on to suomi throu dark n prog.. or whatever u wanna call it... its actually pritty much diffrent vibes 
im pritty anazed no one mentioned it... some like it 133 bpm with fat basses n a bit perc. and some would luv 3-4 leads at the time... no one can argue bout production level or melodies structure.. its all good and some like this some like that...
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lets take for example 2 famous from the other side of the rainbow... haltya & eskimo... 2 quality productions with melodies and whatever u want..
now play eskimo and try to guess whats comes in 2 seconds ahead.. got it? suprized u with that all silent one reversing sound brake?
now listen to hatya and go back to the same trick... got it? no repetetive pattern here ha?
so let me put it that way..
some wanna make dance music which as more can dance its makin its purpose (pritty commercial thinkin)
some wanna expirement psy music ( i personly rather dance that!)
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 10:55
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On 2005-01-07 23:52, hypez604 wrote:
as in "News", percussion sounds pretty mechanical by my opinion at least. if you're working with a live drummer isnt the percussion supposed to sound more innovative? more alive?
having a drummer and still getting to this common commercial sound is eemmmmm uber commercial?
music is supposed to be art, not a product for the masses to buy in a cd shop.
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But dude, that is what is all about! There are heeps of styles, and around u there is so much music to choose. So if u think that 'News' track is such a cliche, then u should seek the sound u like and buy it, and help those artists that make the sound u like.
There are ppl tho, that might like the way the rhythm in 'News' works, even if it's mechanical, and that is why that CD single is sold out 
The story btw behind that specific track was, that the intro of it was dun for one of Israel's commercial TV channels.. After they decided not to use this audio clip we made a track out of it and named it 'News' - ofcourse we kept the rhythm section. And since it was dun for the TV show the drumming is very square and mechanical yeah
And about my work with Danni - Most of tracks we made he was not recorded live. To record live drumming for every track I make, definitely would finish all my money on hiring studio time..
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hypez604
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 12:55
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I like the percussion work too in "News" but... if you write down a drummer for credits, shouldnt his knowledge in percusison instruments come in handy?
even when I heard you two playing live and he brought these digital drum controllers, I could not really hear live drumming, more like sequenced mechanical drumming played by a human.
and about recording "live" drums in your tracks, I did not say I'm missing live drums, but more innovative percussion sounds which can also be achieved in your domestic studio production.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 13:13
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The credits for Danni in that track and all other tracks that we did together is not for drumming maybe that what confused u... There are many bands actually that have a drummer as a part of a band - such as Sub6 for instance - Ohad is a drummer u know?... But there are tracks we did together and I did most of the rhythm section whilst Danni was fiddling around with sounds and stuff..
About our live - I try when we perform live to enhance Danni's performance as much as possible, and btw we haven't used digital drum controllers for two years maybe since they have a little latency to them, so we decided to take them from the setup. Danni plays a percussion set plus some more and definitely can be heard. It is true that his technique of playing is as spotless as a machine tho.
About innovating percussionwise.. Well to tell u the truth I never seen any need for that in trance music at least in a way we did it.. I really like steady rhythm and occasional breakdown but more than that would suit another genre to tell u the truth - I believe that rhythm in dance music shouldn't be toyed around too much..
On the other hand I never thought about this issue u have brought THAT much, so maybe in our future collaborations we might look into it..
Thanks for yer time
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 17:56
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Bottom line - listen to whatever you like, there is no "better" just "different". If you enjoy suomi sound then good, if not, well good too.
One man can think Skazi rocks while Loumohappo (I hope I spelled it right LOL) sucks. Depends on taste. Just like some people can't understand this twisted psychedelia and treat it as "some random noises", other people can't understand the energies of full on music and treat it, again, as "some random noises". It's all about taste, and personal preference.
Certain genres attract different types of people. I think we all agree that full on is the preferred style of people which are not that friendly and calm. It doesn't mean that all of them are like that (take me for example, I love fullon, well most of it, and you can't call me an ars ). And in the same breath, I'm sure that there are people with really bad attitude that listen to finnish (or any other bizarre music for that matter) music.
The basic thing here is respect - and saying something like:
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is totally disrespectful. Notice that I took quotes from both sides, so don't flame me. I'm just trying to be neutral and bring some logic into people here.
Ok that's all I think
yuli & hypez604, take this discussion somewhere else please.
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johanan
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 18:40
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G What a mess ive did ehe
first of all...... i didnt wanted to sat bad words about soumi muzic.. just told that i dont like that muzic.... thats all
and im sorry for all this shit that happend here
and one more thing.... for u 5meo-geo....
ive seen alot of ppl that telling everyone "fags" all day and finnaly they become a fags.. so it seems u think about it too much,
and for the guy that said. shimon.... from what ive heard shimon is an ars... and im not... im a regular guy that like 145 muzic.. with melodies... thats all
sorry for all the fight ehere threw that messgae i wrote.. one of the biggest mistakes here at isratrance forum
so indeed mike a..... everybody likes what he likes to love.
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hypez604
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 18:58
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fullon is like an early stage of trance evolution, people who get into trance mostly take E at parties as their first "psychedelic" (NOT) and therefor tend to like the fullon sound because it makes them feel utter bliss.
so johanan, might that be the reason you like 145 bpm melodic fullon? =)
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 19:03
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Ok enough. I'm locking this.
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