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Alias
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Posted : Jul 6, 2007 23:25
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you maybe forget it ....but many great musicians used all kinds of drugs.....and even on live shows!
ofcourse you no need drugs to improve your art....but
im think that the most great music genres was in drug periods....like jazz and rock.....especially 60's and 70's rock
it was like big bang for rock music.....and im think that the drugs- especally lsd- was major part in this creation!
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punkah
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 00:37
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well said Alias.
if it wasn`t for acid, no goa trance or psy trance whatsoever.
when i question myself why 90% of the psytrance produced today is totally unpsychedelic, i start believing it is the lack of acid. no psychedelics, and psytrance will become strictly dance music...
i know of several killer acts that uses small amounts of lsd for music production. obviously its valid, not for tuning compressors or eq, but for creating music. you can spend an 7 hour trip creating that classic and never heard before synth riff that will be remebered for generations to come, leave the mixing and Eqing stuff for the other day..
i`m not saying that acid will give you superpowers (well, kinda... leave the windows closed), or that someone that doesn`t take acid won`t be able to produce very psychedelic music...
but i think that a "smart" amount of psychedelics, entheogenics, empathogenics can greatly "sync" your perception of music to the target audience. Pure MDMa is also very powerfull in that sense...
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 01:27
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On 2007-07-06 14:46, e-motion wrote:
in my opinion acid doesn't solve any problems, only hides them. |
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Now let's see... we live our "normal" lives in a world that's based on money, warfare and modern forms of slavery. In our "normal" states of consciousness we go to our daily jobs and save money for studio equipment even thou we're well aware that our way of life is causing kids in Asia to work 16 hrs a day and still lack food, fresh water and shelter. Also it's perfectly "normal" to destroy nature for profit as thou there is no tomorrow.
So LSD will create problems for every person who is living in denial. But problem is really with accepting reality as it is because when you take LSD there is no way to ignore what comes to your attention. Funny, people call LSD hallucinogenic drug but the way I see it our daily life is really the utter hallucination 
Interestingly enough, most LSD consumer intuitively avoid using the drug while they're alone with their thoughts. Of all the scary things in the world so many people have greatest fear of their own mind. Sounds like a fuckin' drag to me! Almost like they have two heads on their shoulders and one falls asleep as soon as other wakes up (I wonder why did a book "hitch hikers guide to galaxy" suddenly rushed to my mind as I was typing last sentence?)!
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 03:17
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One of the basic recommendation as far as 'set and setting' goes for acid is to have someone around who is experienced with the trip and can talk you through it if you go down a bad path. So of course there'll be people who gets psychosis or whatever from taking it alone.. no wonder. As substances though, coke and acid cannot be compared as they affect you in completely different ways.
Personally, I take acid very rarely and when I do I just want to enjoy, I couldn't be asked to produce anything, but thats just me. I've heard of several acts too that use it for music production.
Again my personal opinion, but it seems to be in line with what both shamantrixx and alias says: If indeed acid activates dormant portions of the brain (or new synaptic connections), then obviously what one percieves on acid is a more 'complete' reality than when sober. However this is somewhat blurred by the fact that some of the functions that are normally ok gets messed up and so it becomes hard to deduce whether what one is experiencing is a true mind expansion or just a distortion. Drug opposers will of couse claim the latter but I think it is beyond any doubt that is has mind expanding capabilities, especially in the way shamantrixx describes because it allows one to see how 'normal' people behave in extremely narrow and rigid patterns for no other reason than fear and denial. Unless you are taken 'out of the box' this is very hard to see and even harder to explain to someone who hasn't had a psychedelic experience.
Every person in the world has a different perception of reality, but in general our perceptions are so similar that we can come to a consensus about things, that is why we're even able to describe the world and communicate with each other. This consensus though, must never ever be taken as the 'truth' because it is totally subjective (the 'observer' phenomenon...) and based on our limitations rather than our outmost abilities. So yeah, hallucinogen is a very confusing word, acid might as well be called an eye-opener - because no one can claim that any one experience is more real than another....
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 14:32
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I agree with you about consensus reality. Your description is quite nice.
Experience IS important and it is good to be in a familiar surroundings with person who is capable to talk you out of the brainstorm. If somehow you ever get caught in a brainstorm alone do just what people do when trapped in a sandstorm... lay down in a fetus position and wait 'till it's over. It will ware off in the end.
If you start to feel like you're going to die... DON'T PANIC! You can feel symptoms like loosing a capability to breathe, heart stopping etc. Those are symptoms of ego dissolving and you just have to let go. There's nothing wrong with it... obviously you'll live through experience Once you let go of your ego nothing will ever be the same. Every other way of using acid is IMO wrong or at least not very useful and kind of meaningless. Incredible clarity lies behind those doors!
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Jaadoo
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 17:03
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On 2007-07-07 14:32, shamantrixx wrote:
I agree with you about consensus reality. Your description is quite nice.
Experience IS important and it is good to be in a familiar surroundings with person who is capable to talk you out of the brainstorm. If somehow you ever get caught in a brainstorm alone do just what people do when trapped in a sandstorm... lay down in a fetus position and wait 'till it's over. It will ware off in the end.
If you start to feel like you're going to die... DON'T PANIC! You can feel symptoms like loosing a capability to breathe, heart stopping etc. Those are symptoms of ego dissolving and you just have to let go. There's nothing wrong with it... obviously you'll live through experience Once you let go of your ego nothing will ever be the same. Every other way of using acid is IMO wrong or at least not very useful and kind of meaningless. Incredible clarity lies behind those doors!
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Shamantrixx,
very interesting point of view, but it is rather a phantasy or wishful thinking. You are talking about the symptoms of an acid overdose, and you say " don't panic"  . Get an acid overdose, then I tell you when it will be over   or how eye opening it would be. Its of no use to spend the rest of your life in a mental institute with OPEN EYES. hehe
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knocz
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 17:39
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When I create music, I have 4 stages. Learning how to play (practicing), creating new stuff (jamming), structing a full length track (arranging) and mastering the track.
I really don't recommend most type of drugs for any of the stages except the jamming. Even playing live drugs don't make you smarter or enhances your musical capabilities. But for making new stuff acid is great. Not all the time, but once in a while. Just open up a project, press play and play along. Then you automaticly start tweaking new sounds and melodies.
Drugs aren't any solution to any problem, but when I take acid I meditate. And the best way to resolve a problem is to think about it. Therefor a good inner spirital journey from time to time is good for stabling someones balance. But as I already said, lsd isn't for everyone.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 17:45
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@ jaadoo: Well in order it to be fantasy I would have to speak out of my imagination. But I speak from my experience. Since mental institutions still don't include a web connection for they "patients" it means that I've opened my "all seeing eye" without ever coming near such institution. In other words your personal opinion has no foundations neither in reason nor in personal experience.
To those among you who are really interested in inner space I suggest a valuable reading:
alan wats - the psychedelic experience (available as audio lecture) as well as all other lectures and books he wrote. Utterly reasonable, eloquent and broadminded view of sacramental use and misuse of psychedelic drugs.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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Jaadoo
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 18:39
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@shamantrixx, you didn't mention that it was your own experience, and you came back from death (how is the other side BTW?), neither you mentioned that you were in a mental institution and found out they don't have a web connection. |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 19:06
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Just because us here and others are able to handle a trip doesn't mean everyone is. People have certainly gone crazy (and remained crazy) on the drug... I think there are lots of people who aren't ready and never will be ready for such an experience.
Remember that Tim Leary, before LSD was made illegal in the US, advocated some sort of 'drivers license' for use of powerful psychedelia. Not sure how he thought to implement that, but I can see why he got the idea. |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 00:39
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On 2007-07-07 18:39, Jaadoo wrote:
@shamantrixx, you didn't mention that it was your own experience, and you came back from death (how is the other side BTW?), neither you mentioned that you were in a mental institution and found out they don't have a web connection.
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Now if you have a habit to talk out of pure imagination please don't assume that everyone else is doing the same thing. It should be normal to speak out of experience.
Since my friend is working in health care I know a lot about conditions in institutions like mental institutions. Also I'm quite interested in what looks like failed attempt of psychology to help people and alternative ways that don't include electro shocks and tranquilizing person for life.
And about the other side I can tell you only what you already know. For it is where you came from and it is where you will return. You've only managed to forget that during what you call parenting process and education. It is enormous organization of pure intelligence way beyond our understanding. You can only witness it and be grateful for even seeing in 'cause it makes your life far more meaningful once you see what lies beyond.
Life is just a bridge... don't try to build a house on it. Just walk through it as you would walk through the park 
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Jaadoo
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 01:51
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And about the other side I can tell you only what you already know. For it is where you came from and it is where you will return. You've only managed to forget that during what you call parenting process and education. It is enormous organization of pure intelligence way beyond our understanding. You can only witness it and be grateful for even seeing in 'cause it makes your life far more meaningful once you see what lies beyond.
Life is just a bridge... don't try to build a house on it. Just walk through it as you would walk through the park
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I don't quite get it. You mean the only time you get an insight into the other side is, when you do parenting and educate a child? Why ? Please clarify. |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 15:16
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no. those stages of our lives make us forget where did we come from and what is the essence of that place. We get stuck with identity and persona that society attaches on us. we stop being what we are and we become identities with profession, bank account, jobs, expectations etc. But that is not who you are... that's just the concept of this society.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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Jaadoo
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 15:48
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I agree, but human is a communal animal, and we would need structures to survive and reproduce as a multimilliard community. Of course, you can abandon everything and go to a cave and pop LSD and live on a date per day, but imagine everybody would do the same thing, there would be no humans very soon. But even for LSD you would need a complex lab, and dates for so many people? you would probably need a corporate structure. I don't know which one is worse ;-) |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jul 8, 2007 17:52
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LSD is just a modern form of an ancient Yoga medicine. It grows in the forests in virtually every corner on the earth (in one form or another). I don't say we have to go back to the caves... we can keep all the good things that "civilization" brought to us but we should go back to what we really are and throw away the corruptive society based on personal greed, ambitions, egoism and violence. Every form of division will end in violence. Economical, political, national, religious, racial or even musical. Division is in it self endlessly divisible and that road will lead us way beyond the invention of living in caves.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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