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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 18:10:49
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Vermeee
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 18:15
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hmmm
u lowpass the bass in the synth to creater a filter envelope ... to make the bump effect ( dont know if bump s the right word )
or lets say u already created the bass in ur synth u lowpass the bass with eq or filter to remove the high frequencies if u dont want them in ur mix ...
or it could be just to mod the bass.... creativity process...
 
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 18:16
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Obelizk
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 18:50
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they do it so high frequencies from the bass don't interfere with high frequencies of leads, and percussion, and anything else with high freqs.
I was listening to some old Infected Mushroom the other day, and was kind of surprised at how much they lowpassed their basses. But if it sounds good it sounds good. A problem you could run into if lowpassing the bass at too low a frequency would be that your bass loses character.
If too many freqs are cut out from the high and mid at too large a dB, it will sound as if your bass is approaching just being a sine wave bassline.
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 19:00
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Vermeee
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 19:01
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hey obelisk when u have the time could u have a quick check in my track in the work shop ? there s somethig wrong in my bass in there but i dont know what it is... i think it s lack of presence..maybe i did that thign u told...bout cuttin to much the HIGH freqs of the bass i dont know.... i just cant figure out it..if i cut too much the highs or too much in the midles ( the area around the 300hz - 500hz )
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loki
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 20:56
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On 2011-04-14 19:00, kabbalisticvillage wrote:
Ye thats what i was thinking...so whats the conclusion..wheres the best place to cut it?
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well as always there is no "best" place, but i will try and answer what i think you wanted to know.
if you want a sensient-style proggy bass that is barely audible but still felt very strongly, lowpass anywhere between 80hz (for pure sine bass) to 250hz or so.
if you want a bass with character that has plenty of mids but doesn't take up the whole mix, somewhere between 500 and 2000hz. most psytrance i can think of has bass lopassed in this range.
however, some artists like their bass being front and centre, dominating the entire track, and often being the main melodic component as well - sienis would be an extreme example. if this is what you want, you might consider leaving the bass without a lopass filter on the channel.
all of this is, of course, separate from your lopass in filter in your synthesizer/vst. the instruments internal filter should (read: is usually) used in conjunction with a very fast filter envelope decay to get that punch, plucky transient that cuts through the mix.
Remember, regardless of how you tweak your highs by lopass filtering, make sure that your sub is still functional. the absolute BEST way to check bass for, well, bass, is imo to solo the kick and bass channels and then put a lopass on the master at about 80-100z with a high q. if you still hear (and/or feel) a clear separation and articulation of each note even in these conditions, your bass is going to have powerful earth shattering yet exquisitely tight bass. then you can fuck with the mids all you want, throw a lopass filter on, stereo-split the high bands, etc etc etc.
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 21:48
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this is a very... VEEERY subjective thing that many use and many dont... and that many that use, sometimes dont use... and that many that dont use, sometimes do..
its all subjective
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 21:49
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On 2011-04-14 19:00, kabbalisticvillage wrote:
Ye thats what i was thinking...so whats the conclusion..wheres the best place to cut it?
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just use ur ears.
loki, i admire ur patience on writing such a text.. it is explaining things good.
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psyraal
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 22:11
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There are actually basses which don't require too much or no cut at all, clever use of bass and notes can do the trick.
But in case you need to cut high frequencies, cut out only those you can't hear when the bass is playing, removing too much will cause dynamic loss, and you don't want that.
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orgytime
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 22:43
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most basses are lowpassed time based = filter envelope... one of the most important bass things.
you should learn that inside out 
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 23:00
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it all depends your sound and the sound you want,it can make some bass sound muddy imo but it can work, it all depends how you tweak the synth if it have way to much highs you many need to low pass,personaly it s not uncomon i boost bass a little in the middle highs , some bassline need boost, some bassline need cut, some sound right without equing there..
there is some details in the middle highs that i dont like removing on kick and bassline |
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 23:03
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 23:13
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it s like a balance,the more energie in the low end the louder the mids and highs can be and the more depth you get ,but it depends what kind of sound you are after.
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APriest
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 23:15
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.... and of course a 6 dB/octave lowpass is very different than a 24 dB/octave lowpass.
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