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Low frequency minimum.

Ellon
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Posted : Mar 29, 2014 00:51:42
What's the necessary (minimum) low frequency one needs in the monitors to avoid a sub? Below 50hz? Below 45hz? Lower?

I'm refering to an acceptable value instead of a "must be".           
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 29, 2014 19:51
around 30 hz but if it cut around 45/ 50 it s fine too for mixing.. really depend the room , monitor/lisetning postion ,down there.

but for a full range system wihtout sub yeah it need to cut at least around 30 i would say ,

it s rarely a big cut anyway.. monitoes go lower than their spec , it s measured at -2/-3 db maybe but then it can fall off slowly..depending room it can even rise, peaks,dips ect..
Ellon
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Posted : Mar 29, 2014 20:33
a good friend is buying a set of monitors and we had this argument regarding what one needs to produce and mix electronic music

He states that monitors that start around 48/49hz are more than sufficient to have an accurate image of the sound (low frequencies) as long as the monitors are top quality. He actually is a well-regarded sound technician (not engineer) but i always felt (and was taught) that you need a bit lower than that...let's say 45hz to be comfortable that what you're hearing is trustworthy in terms of your low frequencies.

I remember having lots of problems with this with my old monitors (range around 53hz 20khz) and my tracks always ending up very "bassy" in hi-fi or party sound systems.

Still this raised lots of issues and made me think if bigger monitors are not suited for small spaces even if treated           
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Posted : Mar 30, 2014 23:36
If you want to avoid using a sub, I totally recommend not using ported monitors. Enclosed cabinets have a much smoother, unhyped and more predictable bass roll-off - and a tighter dynamic response - than ported cabinets, and the usable low-frequency range extends at least an octave, if not more, below the nominal cutoff frequency.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Ellon
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Posted : Mar 31, 2014 21:26
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On 2014-03-30 23:36, Colin OOOD wrote:
If you want to avoid using a sub, I totally recommend not using ported monitors. Enclosed cabinets have a much smoother, unhyped and more predictable bass roll-off - and a tighter dynamic response - than ported cabinets, and the usable low-frequency range extends at least an octave, if not more, below the nominal cutoff frequency.




Hi Colin

care to give some examples of good enclosed monitors?           
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Posted : Apr 6, 2014 09:38
I think some of the PMCs are enclosed. My ATC SCM20 ASL Pros too. They tend to start rolling off earlier, but like Colin said very smoothly with a lot of extension down low.

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Posted : Apr 7, 2014 14:00
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On 2014-03-29 20:33, Ellon wrote:


He states that monitors that start around 48/49hz are more than sufficient to have an accurate image of the sound (low frequencies) as long as the monitors are top quality.



the room can color a lot the sound so 3 or 4 hz extension is not something to take into consideration imo... just spec and don't say much,the monitor that cut at 49 hz could have better low end than the one that cut at 45....trying and picking what is best in the room is only way .
it s better to have less lowend than bad lowend imo, if you have a peak at 35 hz for example it would be maybe better to use monitors that dont have much low end for example
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