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Tablet
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 04:48
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On 2009-11-18 04:28, EtherealMotive wrote:
Ok, well besides talking about acoustics, which I feel my room sounds great compared to before. I don't feel I have bass reflection issues. My question was about the monitors efficiency compared to my bm5a's for monitoring 50hz - 30hz.
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Is your room purpose built?
if it isn't then it might not be a good idea to throw 30Hz at it. |
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EtherealMotive
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 06:02
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No its not purpose built. But the floor is a raised floor, with insulation under it, and is a wood surface. Also the rooms walls are wood panels. |
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Tablet
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 06:23
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I still don't think you need to worry about the really low stuff. The mastering house will sort that all out.
As far as upgrades go. The Focal Twins have got to be on your short list. |
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 07:44
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lets remember they dont 'cut' at xxhz but only getting slope from there (sometimes even control able) so with monitors that have the cutoff point @40hz u can sure hear what happen on 35hz pritty easy.. atleast for the 'boom' and 'deep' of the sound effect it creates..
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 11:18
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i've read somewhere that the KRK rockit V8's alone is bettter for monitoring low end than the 5" and 6" versions with sub..
apparently the sub can throw you off a bit, and the 8" speakers produce enough bottom range to accurately monitor lows.
don't know if it is the same story with Dynaudio
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EtherealMotive
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 14:41
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On 2009-11-18 07:44, Elad wrote:
lets remember they dont 'cut' at xxhz but only getting slope from there (sometimes even control able) so with monitors that have the cutoff point @40hz u can sure hear what happen on 35hz pritty easy.. atleast for the 'boom' and 'deep' of the sound effect it creates..
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So you think its best to avoid the sub? |
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EtherealMotive
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 14:41
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I still don't think you need to worry about the really low stuff. The mastering house will sort that all out.
As far as upgrades go. The Focal Twins have got to be on your short list.
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I make Dubstep as well as progressive trance. The sub area of the spectrum is quite important I think. |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 14:57
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do you have a big room? monitors like p22 or focal twins are alsmost midlefield , it s too big for a small studio imo |
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Tablet
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 15:03
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On 2009-11-18 06:23, Tablet wrote:
I still don't think you need to worry about the really low stuff. The mastering house will sort that all out.
As far as upgrades go. The Focal Twins have got to be on your short list.
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I make Dubstep as well as progressive trance. The sub area of the spectrum is quite important I think.
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define sub area.
And research your music written in those genres and find out what some of the producers have used. I think you will find you are worrying about something that you just don't need to. Whats your knowledge of sound systems like? or what your music is likely to be played back on. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 15:25
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3 things I'll add:
1- Anything below 50Hz will start to clip a system with a sub.
2- Monitors that go to say, 38Hz, will not have full clarity at 38Hz. If you want to hear the range of say 35-50Hz clearer, get monitors that go down to 20Hz (like the yamaha hs80ms).
3- Acoustically treat your room if you are concerned about hearing this freq range clearly. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 17:48
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20hz? i doubt they go that low flat wihtout a sub.
i would be happy with monitors that cut even at 50 hz, i rarely process the sub ,it s more the 50/100 hz region that need to be detailed imo, p22 are a lot used in dnb by some famous producers , they are middle forward and bass shy, its proof you dont need to hear 30hz to make good low end |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 20:17
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3 things I'll add:
1- Anything below 50Hz will start to clip a system with a sub. |
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Clip? You mean distort? This will only happen if the sub is turned up like ridiculously way too loud OR if the signal itself clips.
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2- Monitors that go to say, 38Hz, will not have full clarity at 38Hz. If you want to hear the range of say 35-50Hz clearer, get monitors that go down to 20Hz (like the yamaha hs80ms).[/quote]
Nope. Speakers that 'go down to' eg. 38Hz have 38Hz as (usually) the -3dB point. This means that the sound output by the speakers is 3dB quieter at that frequency than at (usually) 1KHz. Especially with non-ported speakers, it is more than possible to work with frequencies below this turnover frequency, as they will still be reproduced, just a bit quieter. Part of learning your speakers is to do with getting used to how they reproduce frequencies at either extreme of the spectrum.
8" bass drivers and no sub here.
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Most of the problems people have with their rooms and bass are to do with resonances, and these are mainly dependant on the dimensions of the room, and there is only a limited amount you can do about that! However it is possible to improve the bass response of most rooms by adding bass trapping. The cheapest way I know of to do this is to get hold of a few old bedside cabinets, take the doors off, stuff them with pillows, cover the doors with nice coloured fabric and put them in the corners of the room.
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 20:43
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I was told that anything below 50Hz will always distort a system with a sub on it. Maybe not distort, but it uses up the sub energy.
As far as the speaker frequency, doesn't that make sense though that you would have more clarity at 38Hz with a speaker that drops off at 20Hz compared to one that drops off at 38Hz.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 20:59
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I was told that anything below 50Hz will always distort a system with a sub on it. Maybe not distort, but it uses up the sub energy. |
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You were told wrong  Think of it this way: 'sub' is generally defined as 'frequencies below 50Hz'. If you cut everything below 50Hz out of your music, you don't need a sub.
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All you can really say is that the 20Hz speaker will probably sound a bit deeper, although the 38Hz one will still reproduce pretty much the same frequencies, just quieter. Clarity depends on a lot more than just how low a driver will go.
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Ascension
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