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Low and Hi cut on the synth group?
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Jugolovski
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Posted : Feb 10, 2015 20:02:33
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what is a good position for low and hi cut the eq on the synth group?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 10, 2015 20:15
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What do you mean by 'the synth group'? I highpass and lowpass each instrument individually according to its needs. Some synths might only play in a breakdown and need lots of bass; some might need highpassing at 2kHz.
For a group of related sounds each with a very similar spectrum, I'd recommend raising the highpass from zero, slowly, until you can hear it working, and then back it off a little. But maybe all those sounds need about the same amount taken off the low end so they don't interfere with the bass, in which case you need to make sure you can hear the action of the filter as it removes the bass frequencies. There is no standard setting except in the most general terms - 'make it sound good in the context of the track'.
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Babaluma
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Posted : Feb 11, 2015 11:42
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knocz
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Posted : Feb 11, 2015 12:53
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If I was a gambler I would probably bet my left nut that there isn't exact value, or good or bad in this case.. but that already has been said 
So, on a more productive response, In a (perhaps modern) psytrance mix you want your beat (kick + bass) to be predominant.. and that usually means to give it all the room in the low end - so you can benefit from cutting out the low end on everything else (and during a break, bring it back as needed - as Colin said  )
But there's no definite point for this, neither can you just slap on a HP filter on everything else and expect the mix to come together like bread and butter.
So, perhaps structure your goals and try to do processing in a way that makes sense.. for instance:
- you want your beat to occupy the low-end space, so what I typically do is high pass everything else individually, and maybe somewhere from 80Hz to 500Hz (which is a huge interval) depending on the actual sound I'm processing and the mix. Maybe most of my "mix cuts" in this case end up from 100Hz to 200Hz, but there's definitely no standard place - so again as Colin said, apply the effect, start twisting the cutoff knob, listen to what happens IN THE MIX (so, not soloing the channel) and apply to taste. Nothing is wrong if it sounds good, nothing is right if it sounds bad (so just make it sound good )
- perhaps you want control of your sounds, and you want to clean it all up - perhaps individual EQ processing could be beneficial for taming each stem.. for instance, I don't think you'll need much low end on your cymbals and hats, or too much high end on every synth line, so standard procedure would be to HP and LP each sound individually (even if you only cut below 20Hz and above 22KHz.. no need of energy in these places  ).. so you should use this to clean up each sound (never forgetting all the other filter types.. perhaps a shelf would be more appropriate [most times it is ], or a notch to control some mid frequency range..). Some sounds need more bass, some need less highs, some just need a slight mid adjustment, it's up to you to decide and set the bar for everyone else
Also, although "common sense" would direct you to leave a lot of filters open - because you are designing your own sound, and want to have max quality and be able to hear all the frequencies you are creating with each instrument / channel (you want to hear all your are making and not confine things), the actual tune IMO is a balance between the elements in the mix.. So on the LP side, I like to have a dynamic approach, where I can modulate the cutoff point during time. For a synth line, mister minddoctorsmakeacid came up with a neat solution in the forum some time ago, defining 3 frequency zones in your tune with 6 synths (two synths per zone - for A/B purposes) - so you end up LP'ing your channels in completely different frequencies, as your have your "frequency zone" in mind.
What I find in a lot of professional tunes is a correct usage of the LP on each stem, as leaving it more closed than you would usually do can create a lot of space (not 3D, but frequency-wise) in the mix, giving it live and breath 
Final tip: how do I think the greats of the past (and present) do it? Trial and error, thinking a bit about something and doing it with a purpose, and committing to an idea.. I know dark psytrance artists who just want to rumble the subs and don't care about this, and lot's of DJ's who just end up screwing with the EQ, doing extreme cuts and boosts on the tune in "DJ-eq" defined places.
So, do LP and HP each sound individually, define "groups" and do the same to the groups, and in the end do the same to the master bus (during mastering ), always listening to how it sounds together (very important ) - and if you hear things getting out of control later on, just go back and adjust to taste
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hnd
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Posted : Feb 14, 2015 13:25
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As a beginner who's recently asked similar questions I can give you one good advice - when you're producing, don't rely on rules, especially those given by people who had never heard your music.
Last year I followed similar advice and I started high passing almost everything from a certain frequency. I thought it will make my mix cleaner etc. etc. But when you're relying on rules and not your ears, it's easy to overdo and this is exactly what happened to my music. My tracks started to sound empty and weak because I've repeatedly cut too much low-mids, fixating on some random advice from the internet. Don't make the same mistake and simply trust your ears |
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Mar 24, 2015 17:20
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well said HND, but definately remove some low freq energy from most of the sounds except the kick, bass, and other low freq elements.
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Sonica
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Posted : Apr 7, 2015 01:17
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look out the moody grandad moderators about.. knocz nobody cares for your opinion. has anbody ever told you that you come across like a snob? |
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knocz
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Posted : Apr 7, 2015 12:16
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On 2015-04-07 01:17, Sonica wrote:
look out the moody grandad moderators about.. knocz nobody cares for your opinion. has anbody ever told you that you come across like a snob?
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Sorry, just trying to help the guy out if you don't care -> don't read, but even if no one cares, I'm still entitled to my opinion.
Perhaps next time you could give some constructive feedback about the actual topic and not troll
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Sonica
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Posted : Apr 7, 2015 18:53
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what like Gregg and his constructiveness .. how long is a piece of string.. hm helpful
nothing for me to add , colin answered it well...
its the trouble when you start in this game , things come across with dews and don'ts..
I would suggest an particular eq for certain jobs... URS type for certain things and eqs like pro q for others... spend a few hours just using them whilst comparing your sound fullness to other releases..
is that helpful enough for you knocz?
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mixing-Audio-Concepts-Practices-Tools/dp/0240520688 |
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knocz
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Posted : Apr 7, 2015 19:24
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On 2015-04-07 18:53, Sonica wrote:
its the trouble when you start in this game , things come across with dews and don'ts..
I would suggest an particular eq for certain jobs... URS type for certain things and eqs like pro q for others... spend a few hours just using them whilst comparing your sound fullness to other releases..
is that helpful enough for you knocz?
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Thanks, but not actually related to the question (eq cut positions on mixing, not types). But, still I gave my 2 cents, and so did you Good job there man with the tip.
So, which situations would you, in a psytrance mix, apply one type of eq, and which ones would you apply any other type, and why?
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Sonica
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Posted : Apr 7, 2015 19:50
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some have perfect fixed frequency points already set.. some have nicer characters than others some cleaner some warmer when these are set.
I aint going to explain different uses I will in another asked topic
hp filters for leads group? why not a shelf instead..
SSL type eq for my shelves for example and proq q type for peak attenuating - like that word? I do..
just ment you could use a certain type of Eq to create nice curves instead of just chopping away at the meat like a butcher with Hp filters.
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Sonica
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Posted : Apr 11, 2015 16:44
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On 2015-04-07 01:17, Sonica wrote:
look out the moody grandad moderators about.. knocz nobody cares for your opinion. has anbody ever told you that you come across like a snob?
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my account got fraaped I didn't write this..
sorry if offended anyone
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ansolas
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Posted : Apr 11, 2015 21:05
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knocz
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Posted : Apr 13, 2015 13:52
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On 2015-04-11 16:44, Sonica wrote:
my account got fraaped I didn't write this..
sorry if offended anyone
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No prob dude No harm done, we are all good One day we can laugh about this over a good'old peace pipe I just hope it was only on isratrance, and not somewhere else..
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Sonica
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Posted : Apr 13, 2015 15:01
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Well to be honest I had it coming to me as my bro had got facebook fraaped by me ages ago... so he got his own back it would seem.. no worries all is good
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