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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 18:40:15
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Hi,
I have this problem I can not solve this for two days and it happens some times.
Why is this?
Made again a mix ,with effort on eq's and the mix itself..having there not much compressors ,just sidechain comp the bass to a trigger (ghostkick) and sth else also to the same trigger.
I bounce at -5.5 db. Usualy best results for my further amateur premastering is when I get an avarage rms of around -18 to - 20 db rms.
When it is not peaking I can have the simpliest fun with my still very fresh skills to reach at the end -0,3 db by -10 db rms to -12 db rms.
This is what I like to achieve not less than -10 db rms.
Now back to my mix of this problem,when I bounce it ,as always at -5.5 db I get a file with an avarage of -13 db rms..and the highest peak of normal db is at - 7 normal db(!)..I then can't bring it to - 10 db rms at around 0 db.
No matter what I do -8 db rms is the best I can achieve - that's a fuck too loud .
with my most often used peronal setting of my premastering chain I get even -4 db rms..
My kick is at -8 my bass at -9 on the faders .
I don't know what to change to bring these rms a bit lower in the sequencer itself.
I have almost only cuts in eqs..like 90% cuts and maybe 10% ups,as maybe an avarage more or less of all eqs I mean.
Basicaly the music is waay to loud even the master is a distance befor clipping and the rms is too loud.. ..it is maybe my first mix I like ,the composition so I'd love to solve it out.
Maybe someone get all this and can give a useful advice what I can improve on my issue.
Otherwise thaks for reading ,I just hope it is understandable.
Peace
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daark
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 19:43
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Medea
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 20:05
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just make everything quiter!
the only thing you have to care about is the balance in your mix.
Turn the levels down -20 db and stop wasting your attention at this.
When your mixdown is ready, use compressor and limiter to adjust the master loudness, thats all.
I personally have never chacked the rms of my tracks.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 20:08
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on my masters are only analyzers ,it sound good to me.Well the bass is still my biggest problem most of the time,and I think there lies the problem..I've made a bit another bass and the problem is not anymore there.
But now it just works and is less interesting somehow.
My first bass is not good enough or not clear enough,but I played at some parts lots with the eq and reached interesting effects that I like at some points,therefor I wanted to use the bass.
I think I have to rebuild a bass that fit similar with the eq automatization I've made but it is hard for me.
Well I guess I have to resign at some point on my bass - too much time but I will try a bit more.
It doesn't sound distorted,it sounds a bit boomy though tbh not too boomy cause the kbbb comes through but not clear enough.And the part with the eq automatization is one of my favourite in the whole bass track.
Thanks to you both.
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daark
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 23:49
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what do u mean by boomy?
how u get -4 rms with nothing on master channel and ur kick is -8 ???
anyway i tried to figure out the rms part and didn't get any answers here bout what level should it be before u master it... 
i can tell from my experience is that if it sounds good on -4 rms then u did a great job 
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 8, 2010 00:09
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I dont know.. I made a lot on this channel ,I have lots of equalization automaitzation of eq but it is mostly a pattern of same -duplicated- it changes only on a few spots (a completely different sound colour not just a raising pass or sth)and I do not have raise the lows too much for sure.
I thaught I separated the frequencies as clear as I never did so far but the result was somehow too loud .
I often had a group compression on bass and kick but here I even don't have it..
Just sidechaining a litarary bit of synth automatization and automatization of eq on only a few spots .It is bassy but I hear each single note of the bass coming through,I've had clearer basses created though.
But this is somehow a no go -4 db rms  I'll have to work it out.Hopefully not too long I like to build on,but here is now a long stop as it seems .
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daark
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Posted : Jul 8, 2010 00:16
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orange
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Posted : Jul 8, 2010 02:22
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 8, 2010 04:34
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maybe.. but somthing like this never happend to me.
Id really like to have one own psytrance track that I like,and this now is only a prob of loudness. https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 8, 2010 04:35
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daark
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Posted : Jul 8, 2010 07:32
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rms before mastering should be not less than -12 rms
the problem could be the track is too quite
how can it be it is too loud without compression and limiting? there is nothing wrong about loud and clear sound, this is what u want to get to. like wth???too loud and clear??? a lot of artists will kill to get to -4 rms and still sound clear.you can uncompress the track to achieve less rms a place u don't want to get to. just don't do it at first place.
-7 db and -13 rms ok ,doubt it but alright. like the track???mix is perfect???
send it to mastering on protools and proffesional studio
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 10, 2010 19:18
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yes exactly,I would say even in around -20 is very good.
I know.That is why I post here ,this is exactly my problem.
It is also not the first time Im producing something.My mix - I would say is clearer and clearer.
I focus my mind mainly on mix and seperating eq's ,I would say now I understand them well.
Nevertheless by the end - as again yesterday - the mix after bouncing is at -12 db rms... it is a curse ,a bit frustrating.Even on another sequencer.
.. up from september I'll spend each day in proffesional studio ,I will get my answers. I just hoped somebody knows a distant diagnosis.Merci daark
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daark
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Posted : Jul 10, 2010 23:46
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 11, 2010 11:03
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I have balanced the mix a bit differently now it is working much better,on the one track.On the other it must be the bassline.However.Cheers
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