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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 17:03
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mudpeople
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 17:44
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Well our branch of music certainly isn't without its cheap imitations, rock stars, profiteers, fashionistas, and all the generally gaudy accoutrements of a style of music that has existed for longer than a few days. Every time a new good thing is discovered by those who take the time and effort to explore, before long the crowd will be along, and will see us having fun smiling, and want to have fun too... But have a skewed method of going about it. Some people like drugs, and some of them hear 'psychedelic' and start drooling for micrograms, thinking that all they have to do to have fun is get high. Some see the madness and want to be a part. Some see a market ready to be exploited...
Thats the way it goes it seems... But like all such things there still is a nucleus of people having a great time, doing drugs or not, achieving higher states of being, or not. But doing it because it fulfills.
No one remains the same person forever, what tastes amazing the next day may leave a sour taste. Maturity isnt a measure of how much you change, but to me, how well we manage to more fully become who we've always been, cutting away the illusions that we were into punk for more than the looks one gets when one is 15 with magenta hair (in my own case  ), being honest with ourselves, finding what works best for each of us personally, moves each of us personally.
All music with an audience has the same story; it gets popular, the masses get on board, anyone with a guitar/Cubase is in a band/act, fashion-followers see new demographics, what was once small and intimate becomes stadium rock, what was optimistically ideological becomes just another excuse to get wasted or waste time on forums debating ad nauseum if darkpsy is dark, psytrance is dead, Goa Gil is really Jesus but somehow also Hitler and Gandhi at the same time....
If you get tired of it theres no reason not to change. Its worse to hold on to something hoping it will turn out better only to get dragged down by your own fatal optimism.
But personally I still find things to love. It helps to be able to accept the rabble as a symptom of doing something right, and at least one can applaud their enthusiasm however misguided. Let them have their own naive fun. Have yours.
And if it doesnt work, do something new. If you become disillusioned, doesnt it follow that you had an illusion to dis-? Perhaps it wasnt the music or the parties that changed...
I have to mention tho that I havent been to a party in a few years, havent bought a cd in about the same, and am OK with that. Ive always been into the music above all else... Cuz theres no psytrance scene here, somehow its raver music to everyone and gets played alongside hardstyle and whatnot, or at Burning Man type events (those Burners get down but they aren't the most 'intentional', trance, house, booty breaks, etc all get the same response it seems). As far as intentional trance dance gatherings... Well, we had one...
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 18:24
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i´m almost out of psytrance (only a few selected projects survive in my choices), and more into ambient / chillout.
like somebody said in here (Maine Coon  ) we are not the same persons we were 10 15 years ago, and life changes, priorities change - who in here don´t live the miracle of living?
i still help organize psyparties, but speaccialy for the gathering of friends and the event, not particularly by the music itself.
after having 7 years of fast psy music, i wanted something slower
i still buy cd´s, mostly ambient, i still support the scene and i saw the scene evolve, and i didn´t like the way it evolved, so i drifted away a little bit, but i still like the culture a lot, and it is a big culture we are all in
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 18:40
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well instead of everyday to listen psytrance and attending a party each 3 to 4 weeks is now more something ocaasional. still do enjoy the (sub)culture and some festivals and smaller events with friends. indeed the years are passing and we and our envoironment evolves as part of the life process. there are also other things that one is discovering during this evolution and not all is as you first thought and imagined, so also about the music and the parties you start to discover other styles and is also about the state of mind of one. to keep that state on one point during many years imo is not the best neither for your own evolution as person.
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 19:19
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Faster, Harder, Stronger, More power Less Shower.
Ka-bOm!
seriusness though, still love limitless always Ultra pie with apples and cinamon without the scooter
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 19:45
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On 2010-10-22 13:59, disco hooligans wrote:
Regarding stopping psychedelics. I am sure you guys realise that once you open them special doors in your mind, they stay open for ever and all it takes, is a couple of chillums with good smoke, to feel "that" vibe again.
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Whilst the "resonant signature may remain for a lifetime", there is a quanitifiable and qualitative difference between having a "heroic experience" (to bastardize a phrase from Bill Hicks) and a bit of a smoke* and thinking you are having one. You are just kidding yourself if you think otherwise to be perfectly honest, at least in my experience one is.
Of course though it does depend on what sort of "heroic experience" one is used to. There seems to be a lot more people who claim to be "experienced" than generally tends to be in my experience, as though it were somesort of "fashion statement".
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I've had my fair share. My teenage and early 20s psychonaut days are over for sure. I don't double drop on a week day and face day to day routine just for the hell of it.
2cb, 2ci, bunker buster Es, 2 rocks of DMT on a sunny day at Granchester Meddows, candyfliping on a wednesday afternoon and going punting down the river Cambs...it was all good fun and stretched my mind to no end when I focused on what is actually happening to me. Quite a few times I could not explain it, but was simply grateful for the experience.
I respect the generocity of psychedelics and respect el cid even more so today that I have a lot of respensibilities, and it definitely ain't the same if I just smoke my tits out at parties. But I remember the experience and bring my mind to it. You could say I am playing it safe, but I respect it a lot more now that I am 33. A very few parties where the music and the vibe is proper is where I will have only one drop. Staying sane and feeling grateful I came through the cosmic (in)sanity, unscarred (or like to think so anyway) 
Peace out.
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exotic
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 21:12
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On 2010-10-22 15:19, TranceVisuals wrote:
Whilst the "resonant signature may remain for a lifetime", there is a quanitifiable and qualitative difference between having a "heroic experience" (to bastardize a phrase from Bill Hicks) and a bit of a smoke* and thinking you are having one. You are just kidding yourself if you think otherwise to be perfectly honest, at least in my experience one is.
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Absolutely true! There is no substitute for the real deal. People with a wild history who now claim to trip on fresh air with the aid of having arrived through yoga , meditation and other organic means are the biggest phonies IMO. and on the other end of the spectrum are rich kids on ket and coke with no respect for anything. Its like feeling lost in translation for me which is why i avoid parties.
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pr0fane
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 21:51
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I don’t go to that many parties anymore, but I guess that also has to do with other things than the parties being shit. Yes, there are drugged up kids on ketamine, ghb etc, but that was also the case when I started out, although I guess many of the drugs back then (atleast here in Denmark) were more focused on stimulants. Most people who aren’t really into the music disappear out of the scene after a few years (or months) when they’ve had their share of drugs, while a core of people who are genuinely into the music remain in the scene. Even some of them (us) find other interests – it’s only natural.
Although I also like other types of music I’m still very much into the summer festivals and the occasional small, private gatherings with plenty of hours of premixed sets with good music. I find that to be the best settings for just laying back, enjoying the music as well as having a good time with friends. Maybe even a drop or two.
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Serag
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 21:54
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for all the people that aren't into psytrance anymore,
so why in the first place u keep posting here?
why to argue, why to keep digging and digging better just quit no?
make a new life, make new ideals, find new horizons, find new fashions.
be grown ups as all are saying, be "adults" be normal people accept that this was simply too much, or should i say .. u took too much. and accept that there is no more reasons to keep searching, sharing and participating, go to some ambient forums check the new techi flow, become a member of some geek "i dont have a life" forum, i dont know, or is just about laughing on ppl or being smart asses? being the cool one posting in a "smart way" i mean whats the point?.
i really find it hypocrite to keep being part of something while u dont believe on it anymore.
for me, i just can say, i prefer 1 million times to be part of something small that have a meaning and a common purpose than being part of the matrix and yes i know that even if i dont want to be part the sistem, i am still part, but at least i am aware and i keep fighting for my mental and spiritual freedom.
never give up.
u create ur own reality.
cheers
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Posted : Oct 23, 2010 00:22
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Found House 1991, lost it
found tribal techno 1993 lost it
found goa/psychedelic trance 1995 lost it
found progressive 2001, got bored lost it
found minimal trance 2004, lost it
found prog house 2006, lost it
found techno and minimal 2007 lost it
found prog techno 2008 .. aaa lost it
found tech/house 2009... kinda bored
found deep techno and House again .... still enjoying
forgot to mention, there's some deep progressive thast's been growing on me lately
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Spasm
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Posted : Oct 23, 2010 00:55
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On 2010-10-22 21:54, Serag wrote:
for all the people that aren't into psytrance anymore,
so why in the first place u keep posting here?
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its not hypocrisy
its like getting married, having a kid and then getting a divorce.
Not going to stop speaking with the ex-wife, just because i got a divorce.
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Serag
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Posted : Oct 23, 2010 01:04
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V3NOM
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Posted : Oct 23, 2010 01:17
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I still love the music, I listen tho mostly to flowing albums & mixed cd's. I love ambient & psychill more now, and dj this mostly instead of mixing trance. I haven't been to a psy gig in 2 years & don't miss it, I go to concerts like metal & rock & jazz & classical instead. I have changed that I stand out so much at a doof, and bring dosed up hasn't happened in 11 year & I dont miss it. I love this scene and buy cd's that I like to support it, but in the last month have sold off all my dark/prog/full on & happy with some classic albums & ambient/chillout.
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Spasm
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Posted : Oct 23, 2010 02:56
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could be.
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i call it freedom, you can call it whatever you want |
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Serag
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Posted : Oct 23, 2010 05:42
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could be. |
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