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Medea
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 12:40:25
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Huh, sometimes i feel that I should stop reading sound-related forums =)
Recently read on one of russian sound-engineering forums that some people mix songs without using master-compression, only gentle limiting with treshold -0.5 db to avoid peaks. And a bit of EQ.
And they say they achieve -10 -8dB RMS level this way.
The idea is in using separate compressors with gain compensation on group tracks, with different settings: fast attack for drums, long attack for pads etc...
They explain:
1)multi-band compression sucks. It produces artifacts in the points where bands intersect.
2)When compressor is used on master, it gets confused by the high energy of low-end parts and doesn't process the other sounds properly.
Okay, yesterday i tried to mix & master my last track this way. I didn't achieve the proper loudness so I used the limiter on master, with treshold about -2.5 dB. OK. What do I hear? Nothing really special. The same result can be achieved with the usual way imho, with single-band compression on master and limiting with treshold -5 -7dB.
I think I should experiment more, because the main idea seems logical for me (especially about low-freqs energy [i think kick and bass even can stay uncompressed if working with groups]), but I would like to know if someone has experience in mixing and mastering this way.
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Plz link me if this has been discussed before here
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 13:34
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I always put a L2 or similar on the masterbus when im finished mixing and play around a bit with diffrent plugins in order to get a few diffrent sounds before exporting it.
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gutter
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 14:00
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this is made due to the crossfade options of the compressor i think, it produces phase distortions or even cancellations maybe, i also dont like the way it sounds so much,its like abstracting the bands but tOO much , there are for sure so many techniques out there, dont know whats the best sounding one
about the idea of using separate comp. on group channels, sounds much more decent but you have to do it your own or to send it for mastering as multitrack and the mastering engineer does it this way/his way .. everyone has his own secrets i think ,
its about digging the sound view and train your ears so that you have to be able to know what you want before inserting anything on tracks when it comes to dynamic processing & mastering ..
its very delicate piece of work and there are out there so many retards that consider themselfs as mastering engineers and ask for money to make shitty work unfortunately, that others might like cause it suddenly sounded BIIIG  (due to just limiting and such),, anyway ...
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gutter
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 15:23
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 15:33
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imo thats 2 diffrent things
groups are part of my mix not the master.
and yes its not bad at all!
i also use limiters on groups sometimes it present very solid mix 
(just make sure no group is being reduced too much 2-3 db on busy part imo is normal) www.sattelbattle.com
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 16:26
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I believe that headroom is most important, some people just neglects the headroom for more "power" like metallica on their latest album "death magnetic" it is horrible soundwise.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 22:46
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