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				| Ohmem IsraTrance Junior Member
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On 2006-07-27 21:10, Aeon wrote:
 
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On 2006-07-27 13:11, gaspard wrote:
 it seems a little too easy to brush ideas off as simple "conspiracy theories"...
 
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 Nothing should ever just be "brushed off", this is true.  Watch the Loose Change movie if you want... but don't stop there, watch the Nova video as well.  The point is that all of these 911 conspiracy theories have been *repeatedly debunked* by demolition experts, architects, aircraft pilots and eyewitnesses.   WATCH THAT NOVA VIDEO.
 
 Debunking things with scientific evidence and expert testimony is painstaking and boring - Loose Change wraps it all up in a nice convenient 90 minute package for you.  Loose Change does present certain facts, but it presents them wrapped in speculation, out-of-context editing and specious reasoning and coincidences to paint things a certain way to fit their agenda.  They are talent filmmakers, but they use the same manipulative tacticts as propoganda films.
 
 
 
 There are two possibilities guys:
 
 1) The American Government launched one of the most elaborate conspiracies in modern history using fake aircraft, secret demolition charges - that all functioned flawlessly despite getting hit by a plane, faked cellphone records and disappearing passengers, a vast media conspiracy to suppress evidence, coercing architects and demolition experts to cover up analysis, all in a complicated attempt to justify a war by destroying a national landmark and killing thousands of their own civilians... but the masterminds that did that aren't able to plant a single fake WMD in Iraq
 
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 2) A bunch of Religious fanatics hijacked and crashed some planes because they are mad at us for supporting Israel
 
 
 
 
 
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 Where can i find info on that Nova video?
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				| Ohmem IsraTrance Junior Member
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						| in portugal one channel transmitted this... but i was working, so im downloading this file but i find one in portuguese   |  
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				| Meta Meta/Boomslang
 
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				| gaspard Yab Yum
 
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				| Pt. IsraTrance Senior Member
 
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						| Isn't it cool? 
 http://www.xeno-morph.net/xenomorph/XenoFrameSet.html
 
 On September 11th 2001 nearly 3000 people died. This was exactly 5 years ago.
 As a political consequence of these events many more innocent people were killed
 in the invasion of afghanistan and iraq. The hastily closed 911-Report leaves many
 questions unanswered especially about the unusual collapses of the WTC towers
 and most importantly the collapse of WTC Building 7 which was not struck by a plane.
 If you are a person of indifferent nature, you can just ignore the following links,
 but if you are interested in investigating information that originates outside of mass-
 media distorted channels then check out the following links about 911:
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				| Bio Genesis Bio Genesis
 
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				| gaspard Yab Yum
 
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				| MARGHERITA Master Margherita
 
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 last 20 min are very intersting!!!!
 
 
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				| ASTARTICA Astartica
 
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						| conspiracy is no theorie, its a crime! and we are all fu*** by the one world, one nation, one leader conspiracy. 911 is just the tip.
 ww3 is in progress, directly in front of our doors and it seams that nobody cares... yes i know, a lot ppl cares but "what can we do"? we support that evil thing day by day with mostly everything we do - or did you ever ask what your "bankster" support with your money - or where your taxes gone (you´ve to pay tax for everything - a easy way to make money for nothing).....
 now i´ve to stop ´course this fills books and movies for years!
 think for yourself and don´t believe the propaganda-machine equal wich side ever - course if we start fighting each other, we just follow the nwo!
 
 one thing left:
 be prepare for a very hot summer/autumn 07 - just watch the signs!!
 love and peace for all of us and them
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				| Kaz IsraTrance Full Member
 
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On 2006-07-27 21:10, Meta wrote:
 
 2) A bunch of Religious fanatics hijacked and crashed some planes because they are mad at us for supporting Israel
 
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 Fundamentalist Islam 101:
 prior to the revolution in Iran, the country was on favorable terms with Israel. The fuel for the fundamentalist propoganda was the "western devil" aka the US. Anti-Israeli actions were done nearly solely by secular organizations up until the late 80s in Lebanon, and up until the late 90s on Israeli territory. Israel was targeted by fundamentalists at first only due to association with the US, only later on it's own. The fundamentalists had bigger problems than dealing with Israel - they had to take care of the spiritual strength of Islam, which Israel has never threatened.
 
 While Israel is a fassionable target media-wise, people forget that anti-American/western culture propoganda just won't be NEARLY as popular on CNN or any western news agency - and preaching for the destruction of Israel will get you in a LOT less trouble than preaching for the destruction of Western culture, and first and foremost the United States. Your comment proves that this stratagy worked like a charm. Israel never was, and never will be, more than just a rallying point for fundamentalists (of the 3 major western religions).
 
 This point aside, the movie is rather entertaining in a cheap-scare-tactics sort of way.
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				| Satyr IsraTrance Full Member
 
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						| to hell with all theories
 let's talk about the facts.
 
 the boy king and his puppeteers are not capable?
 history tells us they were,
 present shows us they are
 and future will tell us they will be.
 
 - show this to your great-grandfathers:
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8795795223394289910
 well documented facts of history,
 locked and kept as top secret files
 until recently.
 more, here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
 
 
 just read more books and understand
 there has always been (at least since the mid 1700s)
 a powerful source behind most wars and revolutions,
 sponsoring both sides, left & right, commy vs capi,
 red vs blue, rep vs dem, lib vs con,
 and always coming out as the winner,
 the only winner so far.
 
 just because it's not on the nine o'clock news
 doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
 
 
 ever heard of "the business plot" to overthrow fdr,
 in 1933 - 30 years before jfk got his cue to exit?
 something you wont hear in history class,
 especially not that grandpa bush was involved in this as well.
 well documented facts of history.
 searach and read the mc'cormack-dickstein files.
 
 
 why overthrow fdr?
 because he wanted to destroy the existing banking system
 and return to "sound money",
 beacuse he wanted to make sure
 the people would prosper, once again.
 why assassinate jfk?
 because he wanted to destroy the existing banking system
 and his father enjoyed a good bonus
 in the nick of time before the great depression.
 why assassinate lincoln?
 because he wanted to destroy the existing banking system.
 why (attempt to) assassinate andrew jackson?
 because he wanted to destroy the existing banking system
 and on his tombstone it says "i killed the bank."
 
 
 .: dig deeper, yield more facts :.
 
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				| Pt. IsraTrance Senior Member
 
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