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Looking through Psychedelic eyes?

Magox
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 20:03
I had a conversation the other day with a progg psychedelic artist who is one of the oldskoolers of progg and one of my all time fav.'s and recently They had an album that was released a few months ago.

He was telling me that they were happy at many of the responses they recieved and slightly disappointed at the reviews that they had been recieving. Many of the responses were basically in the line of "it doesnt sound psychedelic" or "it doesnt sound like the same music that they use to make" .

I came to a conclusion, what it is is that many people, when they hear a cd or album for the first time (in the psy genre), they go into it looking through psychedelic eyes. What do i mean by psychedelic eyes? i mean that they want to hear "psychedelic" sounding sounds, and if it doesnt have those sounds, then, many people dismiss the album as shitty, not good, not enjoyable and usually recieves a lot of criticism (mainly through the psyforums, which btw imo is not an accurate gauge to go by), and usually that comes from in my experiences of what i have observed, comes from either youthful people, or usually the "darkies". Now i am not trying to criticize the dark genre music people, cuz me myself enjoy some of it very much so. But this is the observation i have made.

It sort of bothers me and usually gives me a good chuckle that people have one track minds, and if it doesn't have the sound they are looking for then it is considered "cheese" or of shit quality. This is totally inaccurate, and it is actually these people that have these one track minds are the one's that are totally missing out. People are definitely missing out, because many of these great oldskoolers especially in progg, are going a different direction, and the direction is undoubtedly the most creative and innovative out of all the genre's imo. They are producing so many new sounds and when you look into it or listen to it with "psychedelic eyes" then many of you will probably be disappointed, because all you want to hear is the distorted basslines, higher bpms, and twisted synths that your brain has programmed like a pc of what is good or not. you have to listen to it well, open up your mind and appreciate all the new little sounds that are being incorporated, and the more you listen to some of these albums and just appreciate the quality that it is and the less you listen to it through "psychedelic eyes" the more you will be able to enjoy more diverse quality sounding sounds. just try opening up your mind and just try to listen to a lot of these artists with the intention of wanting to hear something of good quality.

So what i am saying is turn down your "psychedelic radar" just a notch and try to appreciate quality for what ever it is worth.


           "On the path of spirituality, one ventures to vanquish one’s own faults rather than to judge others"
J
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 20:11
Toltally agree.

People expect too much pyschedelia now-a-days. Many of these people, can't even describe what kind of psychedelia they're talking about.

Good music will always be good music don't you agree??
Wether it's psychedelic or not.

I once saw someone say here in IsraTrance something like this:

"If I like the music, who cares if there's psychedelia or not??
Who cares if it's cheesy or not??
I LIKE IT! "

Regards!
Zoolog
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 11:07
Well, we all like our cheese served differently, some like it cold - some like it hot... On one side you could see it as narrrow minded to dismiss music just because of their tempo and groove, but on the other, we do have different taste and thank god for that...
I like extremely psychedelic music and i often "look through psychedelic eyes" but only when i listen/look for/at music of that kind.
I like many many kinds of music, but I DO care if its "psychedelia" or not.... thats what i search in this genré, thats what makes it great for me.
I generally dont like dance, trance and other repetative types of electronic music (except Kylie Minogue) so of course i look on it this way...
I would say EXPAND your psychedelic radar...           www.parvati-records.com
Adigroovy
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 11:28
I think when the music is good and original has to be most important. But also the artist if they have critics they have to handle with it or when they are looking for an certain genre and people don't like it then change the genre make something different where people gonna appreciete it, that's part of the evolution of electronic music also. Everybodey has different perceptions of psychedelia I think in his own way, but like artist when you feel your music is considered by more people like chees or crap, then make something different where you got good feedback and learn from it.           to use your head you have to go out of your mind
Elad
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 13:26
for me its very clear i want it good and psychadelic. if one lack then its not for my "psytrance mood" and i rather play pantera.           www.sattelbattle.com
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Krell
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 14:20
Hey look...

What does psychedelic mean ? We are talking about experiences right ? What does wikipedia say ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_experience
"A psychedelic experience, or trip, is characterized by the perception of aspects of one's mind previously unknown, or by the creative exuberance of the mind liberated from its ordinary fetters."

In that case, listening for what you already know and what you have already experienced is not truely psychedelic is it ?

Perhaps people should just drop their view on what is psychedelic all together, because for some, psychedelic means "organic", "abstract" and "weird".... But, you can listen to the same organic, abstract and weird sounding stuff all your life, and what you get from that, are similar experiences.

Thats not psychedelic, so perhaps people should stop being so eternally defined by the word "psychedelic trance" and "the psychedelic scene", adopting these "I am more psychedelic that thou, and so is the music I enjoy". Since, afterall, it IS completely meaningless.

In fact, Infected Mushrooms MTV full on crap karaoke psytrance is more psychedelic than Kindzadza or any other dark psy act ! Why ? Because its different, because it takes more people where they havent gone before, because there is sooooo much dark psy out there, that people are more likely to have a NEW experience by the karaoke fullon crap stuff!!! Thats what psychedelic means, it means going new places in your mind which stimulate your creativity, FOR GOOD OR BAD !

So, in fact, that way of thinking in defined terms is counter-productive, if what you seek is "truely" psychedelic. What does that mean ? Either it means that people who do it still dont know the first thing about what they are babbling on about, or, perhaps it means they are just really self-important hypocrites, who are more about elevating themselves thru own subjective taste than really seekers of truth.

There is, very little, truely psychedelic in the psychedelic scene - at least, for the people already in it. Thats a fact, its mostly all reproduction, that goes for ALL music which is definable by one recognized genre or the other. Still, if your as a person new to it, it will be psychedelic to you, in some form... that is, if the music moves you at all (for better or worse, because psychedelia is not about taste, but effect).

Its a cult thing, this thing, of using "psychedelic" freely and interpreted as a valued word to support ones own taste in music. Yes, and its wrong doing so.

Buuuut, I guess, we still just keep using it that way.... All we can really say is "this music is psychedelic to me", but that value judgement is not transferrable to anyone else than the subjective listener. Well, maybe it can be transferred, if we are dealing with mass produced, similarily minded people (which doesnt seem psychedelic, is in a social ideal, to me either).

Music is not psychedelic, but, experiences are. If a culture is to follow a psychedelic ideal, it must allow for diversity in all its form to be present and promoted.

For me, music is about enjoying sound from the reaction it creates in my mind. In all alteration of my mind, it is at least psychedelic in regards to its previous state.... but, as far as "boldly going where no man has gone before", I rarely get that, and certainly not with anything labelled "Psytrance" by anyone.

It IS more about TRANCE, trance in itself alters the perception of the mind, opening you up to experiences not easily invoked otherwise. Then, after that, I think its up to each persons mind whether they are able to exploit that loophole, to use ones heightened creative abilities whilst under trance, to experience something psychedelic.

- Krell
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Dogon
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 16:26
Come on Magox, don't be so serious.....

As always any musci is subject to the listeners personal taste..... so dont let it bother you           We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
salvia_divinorum
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 19:57
are you talking about d-nox and beckers? (just though about them bc of the reviews i read here)
i'm a big fan of "dark" psytrance and i still loved their album, it's like it was said here, i don't care if it has psychedelic sounds, i care if it's good music and if i like it           When I dance, I put myself in the DJ's hands to take me to a journey - the unconscious journey to reality

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Galaxian
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 21:07
I agree with magox almost about everything, because i know lost of people who loved psychedelic trance which used to come out 4-5 years ago and they are all like "there's nothing good coming out" no matter what - progressive/psytrance/dark...
Personally, i enjoy almost all kinds of electronic music, primary progressive and psychedelic trance, then electro, house and minimal... So, its just so unimportant what really it it. I love to listen music according to my mood.
Magox
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 21:44
DOGONnit you know I'm serious, even when i get koo koo after eating my cocoa puffs.

i wasn't talking about dnox, even tho after hearing Dnox dj set this last past weekend, the guy is frickin incredible, undoubtedly for me the best DJ in his genre, an absolute master.

just for the record, there wasn't any complaints from these artists, no bitching and moaning, i just made a mental note to myself after hearing this and for a while now wanted to talk about this.

Zoolog and TsaBeat I understand, people are people and we all like different things and i respect that. But it just seems to be slightly narrow minded to close out anything that you don't consider psychedelic. I'm not saying that you do, cuz i don't know you, but obviously you felt compelled enough to slightly suggest it. IF this is the case, then i can absolutely say that you are missing out on some fantastic productions that are being made.

You see, I feel fortunate, fortunate because i am able to enjoy all the music you enjoy and listen to, and a whole lot more, which makes me one lucky bastard. My psychedelic radar is placed on top of mount everest and it gets fantastic reception, but i also have a quality music radar satellite that is constantly rotating around this earth and is alwayz looking to pick up new interesting sounding signals. Which makes me one extremely lucky muda chucka




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Zoolog
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 22:13
Quote:

magox:
Zoolog and TsaBeat I understand, people are people and we all like different things and i respect that. But it just seems to be slightly narrow minded to close out anything that you don't consider psychedelic.



Quote:

zoolog:
i often "look through psychedelic eyes" but only when i listen/look for/at music of that kind.




Magox i doubt you have a wider taste than me...           www.parvati-records.com
Elad
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Posted : Sep 30, 2007 03:09
the only diffrence is i might call "air" and "zero 7" psychadelic , when most psy heads will call it boring chillout..
so it is it the eye of the beholder , or the ear of listener..
for me any beautifull music is some what psychadelic
but in a way its funny how when it comes to proggressive trance , it has to be realy special to not get me bored realy fast ..
still if anything is realy good music no body can take that
and its far from being genre bitch, psychadelic warior, or close mind in any way .. its easy to throu this image but lets remember u didnt mention specific sounds or cd name.. so maybe i will like it and think its realy all that , and maybe i will think its pointless like 95% of trance realese which are far from being good or psychadelic in my opinion..
either way good enough the world is wide and big and there is place for all...
and not psychadelic music making much better commercial progress then the uber-safisticated super good psychadelic music, or ehm this is not so much the good side , well not for me atleast hehe

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acidonacid
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Posted : Sep 30, 2007 09:32

Good musix is good music but psychedelic music doesn't mean good or bad music.
Psychedelic is the music when create feelings and has as target a special state of mind.
Sometimes the music is good sometimes bad sometimes scary or...

I don't have to wear my psy glasses to see sometheing psy when it isn't.
And offcurse I don't find anything psychedelic in the progressive trance.

Just my humble opinion.
          
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 30, 2007 16:33
I'm with Krell.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
anOM
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 18:17
i´m with krell as well           Free your mind...
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