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faxinadu
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the daleks
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 15:07
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Jaadoo
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 15:30
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On 2007-09-12 18:13, mubali wrote:
I was looking at the audio editing thing and it didn't really seem any different than previous versions except for the timestretch that looked to be similar to cubase's...
I wonder if it will allow non-destructive editing to audio samples now, I'm hoping that it will have a function that will allow you to save a new version of the audio file automatically any time you make a change to it. I messed up a lot of my original sample library that I used to make my album trying to do some wierd timestreching and reversing of audio.
I could almost accept the fact that it won't have the nifty right click offline process that cubsx has if they can at least allow you to nondestructively normalize or reverse or timestrech without having to manually save a new version beforehand.
Looking at the overview of it, it's still destructive editing... that alone will prevent me from leaving cubase... But it looks like they've done away with the dongle thingy...
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Just select " create backup " in Sample Editor Window under " "Audio File Menu", before you mess around with the file. You even can go back and "revert to the backup" to leave the sample untouched or save the new one as a copy. This is non-destructive audio editing.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 17:50
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On 2007-09-12 18:13, mubali wrote:
I was looking at the audio editing thing and it didn't really seem any different than previous versions except for the timestretch that looked to be similar to cubase's...
I wonder if it will allow non-destructive editing to audio samples now, I'm hoping that it will have a function that will allow you to save a new version of the audio file automatically any time you make a change to it. I messed up a lot of my original sample library that I used to make my album trying to do some wierd timestreching and reversing of audio.
I could almost accept the fact that it won't have the nifty right click offline process that cubsx has if they can at least allow you to nondestructively normalize or reverse or timestrech without having to manually save a new version beforehand.
Looking at the overview of it, it's still destructive editing... that alone will prevent me from leaving cubase... But it looks like they've done away with the dongle thingy...
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Just select " create backup " in Sample Editor Window under " "Audio File Menu", before you mess around with the file. You even can go back and "revert to the backup" to leave the sample untouched or save the new one as a copy. This is non-destructive audio editing.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 18:40
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 19:39
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That's exactly what I'm talking about Colin. It's still destructive editing, however in a sense cubase is destructive too, but the option to automatically save a new version of a file when you do an edit is what makes Cubase really nice in regards to working with audio. Not to mention the fact of the offline processing history is invaluable if you did a whole mess of things to the audio file and want to change just one thing. I'd simply be ok with the copy file to working directory option. I guess that I could just rewire ableton to handle all of my audio, but that's an extra step I wanted to avoid...
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Jaadoo
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 20:07
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No I'm afraid there is no automatic backup for every single file edit. The undo steps(automatic backups) are applied just universally. It backs up changes to your most recent audiofile, but one you move on to another file, you'd be asked to save changes or not or save as a new file, at this point you can opt for whatever suites you.
You can set the undo preferences to warn you before closing the sample edit window. Undo function creates undo files, which will be placed in undo folder for every project.
The thing is if for every audio edit of every audio file would a version be generated, you would easily lose the overview and your HD would be filled up sooner as it supposed to.
I'm not familiar with Qbase, donno how it's handeled.
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 14, 2007 00:32
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You do have a point about your hd being filled up by audio, but Cubase has these things where you can combine multiple small clips into one big clip... Also if you've been using cubase for a while, you tend to save the project to a new folder right before you archive it, that way you keep only the audio you're using in the actual track and you can delete the other folder with all the other stuff you've done... I'm certain that Logic Studio 8 will be really nice, but it's still pretty much neglecting a complete style of how some people work. Have they fixed the archaic way samples are loaded into the Exs 24 yet? That singlehandedly made me start using Battery and Kontakt back when I was using Logic.
On a different note, but incredibly related, I was looking into dj software programs last month and it led me to checkout pioneer's program. I checked it out, and completely loved the feel and functionality of it. It reminded me of pioneer decks right down to how they cue and the fx sounds... I used to own pioneer cmx 3000's and I miss them... So, when I went to start loading up wav files, I found out that I honestly couldn't use wavs in the program... Which royally pissed me and a lot of people on their forum about this. So I went to investigate and see if they were going to make any changes to it to correct that or if it was just a beta version or something... The official quote I got from their forum techs was that it's meant to mix mp3s, if you want wav, try another program. That type of attitude is the easiest way to get someone not to invest in their products. It seems that especially now that Apple owns Logic, we get this if you don't like how we do it, go use something else speech for a lot of things, and that's really a shame as someone who had fell in love with that company's products. I remember about 3 years ago, I said that I would stick with logic and there was no way in hell I'd move to cubase... yet here I am, and it'll take apple really paying attention to how people work when they write music and adjusting their product so that they can please almost everyone to really get me to drop the cash on a mac and their software.
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the daleks
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Posted : Sep 14, 2007 06:38
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On 2007-09-13 18:40, Colin OOOD wrote:
Ah but you still have to do something to make a backup - which leaves you open to the likelihood that you'll forget. It's not non-destructive audio editing, it's destructive audio editing of a user-made copy. Or am I wrong?
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I never forget this important step, and it has taught me to take care in my audio editing. Still, non destructive editing, ala photoshops filters concept would be nice, since it is basically algorithmic filters applied to audio. probably would suck up alot of RAM though..
I do think Emapple does put alot of care into the design of their products, and gives you alot of options on how to approach something. Conversely I tried Cubase for a little bit, but just found it too inflexible for my tastes. However I don't do alot of work in audio, and stick mostly with MIDI (hey, I'm a tweaker), so this workflow approach is probably highly different than those that are used to working with other software than Logic.
After looking over the manual and new features, it seems this version offers mostly workflow improvements and econimzations, which I would guess are based on surveys of the industry. They did hit it on the head with sample accurate editing in the arrange, and tempo matched audio which I know for sure is something that everyone demanded. My guess is that theres still yet more lurking under the hood and elsewhere. For example tempo matched audio is able to open and match audio from LP7 projects, so this means that they had some kind of structure implemted already in 7. Pretty forward thinking if you ask me!
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HaKa
HaKa
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Posted : Sep 14, 2007 16:04
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somebody saw how $ ? are the upgrades? im really confused about that new logic,
$ 500 the complete logic
and 199 upgrade from logic 7 something like that, and what happen with the people who buy logic in $ 999 ???????
crazy thing.....
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Yunick
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Posted : Sep 14, 2007 16:26
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I think this change(Price, more plug-ins) is a new Apple marketing strategy. The company should want to increase the numbers of Logic User`s and to be more interesting than Cubase 4.
With the new cubase releases, apple should felt his base to tremble and produce this new logic.
Now the number of logic users for sure will to increase!
Music is not only about Numbers, is about feelings.
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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Sep 15, 2007 17:50
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Two words
DELAY DESIGNER!
It sounds amazing and is stupidly programmable. The tap function is great. Creating rythmic delay patterns on the fly, syncing them to the grid AND select their corresponding pitch shifting!! Glitch weirdness here I come!
...nah 
Good things:
Dunno if its some over excitment/placebo effect, but it sounds different. The sound feels more focused and detailed. Its kinda like the Mackies got bigger in size, but not in respect to that there is more bass...there is more detail and depth to the sound. The reverb tails seem more obvious, I think I am gonna start going easier on the sends now.
I wanna see if they actually re-wrote the audio engine.
The new compressors are very musical. They add colour to the sound. As soon as you switch from the traditional platinum circuit, you can hear the drums getting sucked in and jumping back out punching the air (but the meters don't obviously). The Opto circuit does sound very much like my Joemeeks...but it does not have the slightly lazy attack! Fantastic! There is also a limiter tab included on Logic's compressor to avoid using another insert.
There are some interesting plug ins like the micophaser, direction mixer and others that have had a revamp.
How many sampler and Garageband instruments? lol This is just silly.
How many Apple Loops? I don't think I am ever going to have time to listen to all of them! I just checked the "All Drums" loops and there is 3265 of them!! There are so many new ones and they sound fucken great! The few I heard were proper compressed and well punchy. I pretty much added all of the ones I previewed, in my "favourites" straight away. Hard to find them again being so many!
The show channel strip inserts on the plug ins is great as well, compare is a nice adittion. The media tab and over all handling and selection of audio files/apple loops...etc is fantastic. Very Pro-Tools like.
Its like the new GUI was made so you move the mouse as less as possible (obviously that's what they were going for).
You can now feed busses as inputs to channels...
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...so you can have in place audio printing of that soft sytnh that has 12 plugs inserted, without using locator, bouncing, dragging the audio on the arrangement...etc. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!
Screen sets are there thank God.
Everything feels more responsive, cursor, channels strips load up faster, off line bouncing feels faster and its been very stable so far.
The tabs are great. You can adjust mixer, sample editor, piano roll, hyper editor size independetly, and bring them up or down with one click, so all is well. I think I am going to get used to working more in one window from now on and just switch to the mixer window so that I don't look at what is coming up in the arrangement and I avoid "preparing" my self to hear things, when mixing down.
CPU hit is the same as far as I can see.
The thing with the two channels strips is genius!
Creating tracks is dead easy, no more new objects in enviroment.
It will be much more user friendly for new Logic users now, but as a long time Logic user (since v 4.x), I found my way around things straight away.
Bad things:
The two channel strips, could have been smaller. They are kinda massive. That space could have been used to keep the track parameters open, but no biggie.
It looks strange. It does not look like Logic and I can't get rid of the damn transport!...(which is not floating on the arrangement window anymore).
To be honest I can get rid of the functions on the transport, but I get left with an empty rectangle plate. Oh well, best to bring the functions back up again...
The windows have been allocated a smaller space...I'm gonna need a bigger screen. Might just go for a big fuck off Plasma TV or summat and be done with. After all I save so much money paing only 129 quid (by the way the educational discount price for the FULL Logic Studio is £118...that's cheaper than Reason ).
Before installing, keep a copy of your own sampler instruments (I copied mine on the desktop right before installation jsut in case and glad I did) cause you're going to have to drag them in the Logic 8 sampler instruments folder again.
3rd party plug ins were intact. I can vouch Reaktor 5, Albino 3 and Zebra 2 work fine.
On the CPU there is something weird going on. On Logic 7 I could see 2 meters and the processing was distributed evenly. On Logic 8 there are 4 CPU meters (corresponding to the cores this time), but one of them was almost at %90 and the other 3 were at %0(!) when I first opened the .lso file. Then I closed it and opened it again and CPU hit was evenly shared that time. Hope the bitches stay that way.
Make sure you got 46Gigs free on your host HDD to install everything (8 DVDs...2 hour installations). I have a big HDD on my MacPro but peope with the smaller MacBooks might need to create some speace, or install the Jam Packs/Apple Loops in an external drive.
That's the few things I got from the first plays.
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Trip-
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Posted : Sep 16, 2007 09:20
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feeding busses into audio ins was long in the waiting list 
from the screenshot I see 2 busses going in - don't see why 2, but still nice !
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Nectarios
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Posted : Sep 16, 2007 17:26
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Just shows that you can do that should you want to I guess as the only reason I can think of right now, why I would ever feed two (or more) busses into one input would be if I wanted to record a soft synth that has lots of inserts in its channel strip but also uses sends that go into different effects on other busses. By doing that you can record both the main channel and the returns from any busses you might be using to get the final sound.
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Zoolog
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