On 2010-04-14 18:02:54, Yidam wrote:
Pros:
-Stable DAW and OS
-Faster workflow
-Apparently better sound out of the box especially for live performances
-Good manual
Cons:
-VST and open source limitations
-Super expensive
-No Rewire
actually i wouldnt say in the pro's the workflow.. offline process is main tool..
also the pro should be where the con of cubase is , so manual of 5 is pritty good with all the examples etc.
anywayz my thoughts:
pro:
es2
esm
sound quality
sound perception
great midi quantize options (shuffles)
great internal plugins
apple loops
cons:
vst is tricky.. prolly must give up few great stuff..
no offline process
no (simple) pitch shift
generally i think cubase 5 is totally awsome.. moved from FL since they added the loop browser. how could anyone live without that?
also logic is totally awsome , apple loops is da shite!
I actually kinda like that bounce in place method, but what he's talking about is throwing a plugin on an audio file. The way you do it in cubase, you don't have to load it up as an effect on the channel, you can just apply the effect to the individual file really quickly and you can even apply a wet/dry mix or fade in for the effect. That's one of the things that Cubase has over Logic, but with Logic's bounce in place it's just a matter of how you like to work. If you have some specific settings on plugins that you like to add to a little clip and you want to save about 1 minute, the Cubase way is nice, but Logic's bounce in place works kinda like the export audio mixdown does in Cubase, and using that method you can actually bounce in place vst instruments and effects and have it pop up in an audio channel directly below the midi channel and have the effects turned off automatically, which is awesome for remixes and collaborations.
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On 2010-04-15 10:04, Trip- wrote:
How is Logic super expensive?
it's a whole package for just $500... In my opinion the most complete package for the least amount of dollars.
But put that aside,
it is very much apparent that when you switch from a daw you were used to work with, it introduces difficulties. And I'm not talking about learning a new interface or a new OS, I'm talking about the way you learned doing things.
I came to learn that people who use cubase really like to chop audio, applying pitch to audio clips and in general, they like working with alot audio files and audio channels. Many times I'm looking at their screen on an open project, all I see is amounts of audio channels. I will dare and say that some of these Cubase users are not aware of any other way of working effeciently on their music - meaning - this is the only way they can make things sound the way they want to. Switch that person to Logic and he will need to learn a new way of how to compose digital projects.
If you are one of these people, you need to know that things will be different from now on... And it is a question of will and decision - if you want this switch to succeed, some dedication will be required. You will learn new ways of doing things and you will adopt your own ways of doing things.
Now that I'm done bulshitting, I can tell you I love Logic. Been using it for 10 years since ver 4.8. To tell you about its cons, I will need to work on other DAWs, which I never do.
Probably the best thing about Logic is its mixer. It just works they way I want any mixer to work - and the whole project relies on the mixer capabilities. I can't be sure how other mixers perform in a DAW.
Hope that was helpful
The above has a thin point for seperating good music from just band aid-ed music.
AFAIK, cubase can't offline process a group of plugins at the same time. So you have to add each effect individually. Then you can use the offline process history to go back and change one or all of the effects. With bounce in place, all the effects that you put in the chain stay there, disabled on the channel above the bounced one if you choose that option and you can always go back and fix something and bounce in place again.
For me the only time I use the offline plugin processing is when I already know what setting I want the plugin to use on the specific audio file. usually a quick delay or reverb tail something like that, but when you calculate the tail on cubase it's kinda blind, you gotta just listen to it on repeat till you get the tail right or give it some extreme time amount and cut off the excess... Logic's bounce in place allows you to have as much tail as there is sound, so that could give you some more possibilities.
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Posted : Apr 25, 2010 02:18
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On 2010-04-24 16:49, Colin OOOD wrote:
Bounce in place is great and I really wish Cubase could do that, but in Logic can you do bounce in place say 5 times with different sets of plugins on the same audio, then go back and change settings on the second plugin you applied?
It's just a set of plugins you put on your channel. Be it 14 plugins, or you could bypass some of them, move them around in different locations in the chain, change settings etc... It's just a chain of plugins on the channel.
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On 2010-04-24 16:49, Colin OOOD wrote:
Bounce in place is great and I really wish Cubase could do that, but in Logic can you do bounce in place say 5 times with different sets of plugins on the same audio, then go back and change settings on the second plugin you applied?
I don't think logic can do this, no. The way I work is bounce in place without applying the plugin effects to the bounced down file, instead logic opens an audio track with the exact same inserts and sends - which remain tweak-able, but at some point processor capacity might become an issue.
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@ mubali...im curious to know the effect of the pitch envelope u mentioned earlier...is it like a pitch shift kinda thing going from low to high? or something more? i have tried this in logic with a 3rd party plugin...was not too pleased with the resultant sound...not very smooth
i can explain it to you...but i cannot understand it for you...
This video helps to show the options when doing your bounce in place...
As for the pitch envelope, logic's time and pitch device is clunky at best. Do a quick video search for cubase's pitch envelope and you will see what I'm getting at.An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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On 2010-04-25 02:18, Trip- wrote:
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On 2010-04-24 16:49, Colin OOOD wrote:
Bounce in place is great and I really wish Cubase could do that, but in Logic can you do bounce in place say 5 times with different sets of plugins on the same audio, then go back and change settings on the second plugin you applied?
It's just a set of plugins you put on your channel. Be it 14 plugins, or you could bypass some of them, move them around in different locations in the chain, change settings etc... It's just a chain of plugins on the channel.
you could do that by toggling channel presets, which would load whatever stack of plugins you want to use to process (have to create or save the set though)
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