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Logic : Pros and Cons (Switchover)
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Yidam
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 18:02:54
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Am Cubase+Rewire hobby producer but I'm considering going Logic Pro 9. Done a bit of research about the switchover and a few of the basic pros & cons seem to be:
Pros:
-Stable DAW and OS
-Faster workflow
-Apparently better sound out of the box especially for live performances
-Good manual
Cons:
-VST and open source limitations
-Super expensive
-No Rewire
Apart from these broad ones are there any advantages specific to the psytrance/chillout sound? Is normal for this need to switch over to the Mac ?... everyone taking it seriously seems to be doing it.
It's going to be a massive blow of savings for this one so just want to be sure the switch over is justified.
thanks(:
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 20:30
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If I knew how to use Cubase as well as logic, I would use the cash to get some better compressors, EQs, reverbs, synths and get on with making music.
Logic has its sound due to its native plug ins that other people can't get, but it does not sound better than Cubase with some great 3rd party plug ins.
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Fuzulu
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 02:14
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if you are doing a lot of chopping stretching and pitch shifting and playing around with audio files a lot in this way then logic really sucks if u ask me ... overall for editing and stuff specially in audio cubase is way better ... Logic plugins are awesome and the mixer section is just awesome ... about stability i would say they r pretty much on the same level ... faster workflow depends on u and how u work but again if ur doing a lot of audio editing cubase is way better ... rewire u can use abelton with logic thats for sure also i dont know what else u can use ... sound quality is very difficult to say but i like Logic now but dont know if im just biased and will change opinion later 
and i think what disco says is spot on ... specially cause hes an experienced logic user and u can really get sum killer vsts in cubase ... native plugins logic rules with nice delays , good synths , nice sampler , killer drum sequencer and lots of goodies  |
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 05:45
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audio editing sucks on logic..pffff. as fuzulu said some simple editing stuff where in protools or cubase takes one step here it takes 2 or 3 steps and most of the editing stuff is very hidden..according to me protools is one of the best DAW for audio editing....otherwise logic is a very good software...i love the binaural panner in logic and also the IR plugin...
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 10:04
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How is Logic super expensive?
it's a whole package for just $500... In my opinion the most complete package for the least amount of dollars.
But put that aside,
it is very much apparent that when you switch from a daw you were used to work with, it introduces difficulties. And I'm not talking about learning a new interface or a new OS, I'm talking about the way you learned doing things.
I came to learn that people who use cubase really like to chop audio, applying pitch to audio clips and in general, they like working with alot audio files and audio channels. Many times I'm looking at their screen on an open project, all I see is amounts of audio channels. I will dare and say that some of these Cubase users are not aware of any other way of working effeciently on their music - meaning - this is the only way they can make things sound the way they want to. Switch that person to Logic and he will need to learn a new way of how to compose digital projects.
If you are one of these people, you need to know that things will be different from now on... And it is a question of will and decision - if you want this switch to succeed, some dedication will be required. You will learn new ways of doing things and you will adopt your own ways of doing things.
Now that I'm done bulshitting, I can tell you I love Logic. Been using it for 10 years since ver 4.8. To tell you about its cons, I will need to work on other DAWs, which I never do.
Probably the best thing about Logic is its mixer. It just works they way I want any mixer to work - and the whole project relies on the mixer capabilities. I can't be sure how other mixers perform in a DAW.
Hope that was helpful
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makus
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 13:10
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On 2010-04-15 10:04, Trip- wrote:
How is Logic super expensive?
it's a whole package for just $500... In my opinion the most complete package for the least amount of dollars.
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i guess Yidam meant buying Mac computer in the first place.
anyways, when i tried to switch to Logic 8 from Cubase SX3 i found it to be very difficult. didn't make it. nor audio editor neither midi editor were not convenient and logical. i always had to concentrate on how i would do something instead on what i want to do. rebinding keys and learning native hot keys helped though, but i still was far from finishing even a simple chill out track. any action that is absolutely transparent in Cubase was really confusing in Logic for me. maybe i'm just a cubase geek and the guys from Steinberg are thinking in the same manner as my brain works, or maybe i was on Cubase for too long, but after 3-4 weeks of trying Logic i went back home.
I want to note that this was my personal experience. Even though it was difficult to work in Logic for me it wasn't negative. I figured out many really cool things there: mixer section (especcially busses routing and organization), audio preview section, library, a bunch of amazing synthesizers and effect processors, nice layout.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 16:15
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On 2010-04-15 10:04, Trip- wrote:
I came to learn that people who use cubase really like to chop audio, applying pitch to audio clips and in general, they like working with alot audio files and audio channels. Many times I'm looking at their screen on an open project, all I see is amounts of audio channels. I will dare and say that some of these Cubase users are not aware of any other way of working effeciently on their music - meaning - this is the only way they can make things sound the way they want to. Switch that person to Logic and he will need to learn a new way of how to compose digital projects.
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Innit. I have a lot of soft synths running real time and because an awful lot of my sounds are my own presets of (especially) ES2, ES1, ESM, Sculpture, Ultrabeat, I do all my pitch shifting simply by automating the pitch, or play around with the modulation wheel in real time. Then if need be, bounce to audio and simply chop things there. Its the same thing, done different and I get round Logic's shortcomings in pitch-shifting audio, I just jam with the modulation wheel in real time.
Horses for courses and all that.
But seriously, if you are adding the cost of a brand spanking new quad (you'll need 4 processors, ideally 8) MacPro, I would definitely keep Cubase, spend a fraction of the cost of a quad processor Mac, for a quad processor CPU and motherboard and have a load of cash t get great sounding plug ins, or better monitors or put some acoustic tiles and bass traps in my studio.
You'll get far better results like that + you have to spend all that time to force the way you work to suit a new sequencing/audio package.
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 18:36
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On 2010-04-15 10:04, Trip- wrote:
How is Logic super expensive?
it's a whole package for just $500... In my opinion the most complete package for the least amount of dollars.
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I'd have to give that award to Sonar from Cakewalk, at $400 for the full producer edition, $200 for the studio edition.
Yes, if you add in the price of a new or used Mac just to start using Logic, you could buy a sweet UAD2 by sticking with Cubase. Keep The Faith,
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 18:49
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what is bad about audio editing in logic vs cubase ?it seems to have all the usefull features |
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mubali
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 22:47
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Logic 9 is also considerably better about the audio editing than in previous editions. Personally, I say the heck with choosing one or the other quadcore hackintosh running parallels best of both worlds... not to mention the whole game is gonna change for Logic users due to the new wavelab. Finally a stable and really decent audio editor on mac... so you can have your pitch envelope and all that. Just not completely in one program... but I have used both programs for years and its a matter or taste. however if Logic gets a pitch envelope, it's on like donkey kong.
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 23:24
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wavelab 7 for mac? that is awesome news! Thanks for the info Mubali
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Posted : Apr 23, 2010 09:14
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I switched from Cubase/PC to Logic-pro/Mac 3 years ago. Took more than a year to adjust but am happy with my setup and work flow.
Upside:
-Osx runs stable, and does not slow down over time, so I spend less time rebooting and reinstalling, more time working on stuff
-I really like some of the logic synths, and plugs and don't miss many of the Cubase plugs
-Logic as a package is excellent and has some really cool features, and 9 has improved audio editing
- Have been able to buy plugins, instruments I like in addition
Downside:
-Mac is really expensive
-Cubase uses prettier colors
-Sound is different, I might prefer cubase sound engine, but might just be studio paranoia
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Skoocha
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Posted : Apr 23, 2010 10:30
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Pros:
-Stable DAW and OS
-Faster workflow
-Apparently better sound out of the box especially for live performances
-Good manual
Cons:
-VST and open source limitations
-Super expensive
-No Rewire
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Logic is def not that stable and i will certainly never use it live after seeing some guys rebooting the thing on stage
for Live performances Ableton is the tool of the trade for many reasons
windows can be really stable if you know how to configure it
sure the os looks like shit and acts sometimes cumbersome but once you're in the daw who cares ?
it's certainly not that expensive considering all what you get for the price and also use rewire and can even use vst with a converter...but i mean those days pretty much everything legit exist in the Au format no ?
as for the switch
if you can't write any good music in Cubase on windows
you'll never write anything better in Logic on Os X
i mean it's never the tools it's always the mind
all Daw do the same thing it's just the way you use them
switching just means loosing a hell lot of time learning another way to work and changing your workflow...
personally i think Cubase is a fantastic music writing tools
spe on the windows platform
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Yidam
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Posted : Apr 23, 2010 13:02
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hmmm ... getting a gist of a cool trick. Is there a thread around here somewhere about Wavelab and what you can do with it ??? This pitch envelope thing sounds very intriguing. Is this just for making kicks or other stuff too?
back to topic... yes when talking about price was thinking about the big picture... getting a quad mac + costs of the DAW + costs of all the VSTs given there are not many free ones for OSX. Too much for the family guy.
Hackintosh is the way to go ... thanks Mubali 
Has anyone tried out 'Studio One' ? Heard some good things about this one especially the 64bit float production instruments. Trying to get me hands on a promo copy.
Personally, given the feedback, going to stick to what I got for the time being and spend more time on one rather than pondering over which others to try. Best option given my hobby status. Shall get back to this somewhere down the road...Thanks y'all!
hope the thread keeps rolling as there's been some some really helpful info and advice.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 23, 2010 20:11
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On 2010-04-23 10:30, Skoocha wrote:
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Pros:
-Stable DAW and OS
-Faster workflow
-Apparently better sound out of the box especially for live performances
-Good manual
Cons:
-VST and open source limitations
-Super expensive
-No Rewire
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for Live performances Ableton is the tool of the trade for many reasons
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renoise is the shit for live act! that thing never crash, timing is fucking tight and i like how everyone is trilled looking at the screen wondering wtf you are doing ,the gui is psychedlic man all these numbers it make you crazy |
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