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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 12:17
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untilthereislight
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 12:50
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On 2013-07-18 12:17, Nectarios wrote:
And you can't tweak that awful new design/colour scheme.
Meh.
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So you being a longtime logic user, would you say this is your least favorite update?
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 13:16
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On 2013-07-18 12:17, Nectarios wrote:
And you can't tweak that awful new design/colour scheme.
Meh.
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So you being a longtime logic user, would you say this is your least favorite update?
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Seeing as:
1) I have to give up on vital 32 bit plugs to update.
2) I have to fork out extra cash for a new OS I do not need to update.
3) It looks like an offspring from when FL Studio fu@ked Garage Band in the a$$.
Most certainly, yes.
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 13:21
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On 2013-07-18 13:16, Nectarios wrote:
3) It looks like an offspring from when FL Studio fu@ked Garage Band in the a$$.
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 14:22
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On 2013-07-18 02:00, frisbeehead wrote:
The CPU performance thing should really be delt with to! We Logic users have developed some cpu saving skills... Am I the only one that sometimes uses auxiliary channels where you don't need one? Just to distribute stuff between the cores?
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didn t have to deal with this personaly .
don t want to start a daw war but you were talking about cubase and ableton but mate logic 9 is 30 /40% more efficient on my mbp ,maybe the cpu distribution is better handled in these daws thought..but these are cpu hogs (cubase just on osx, on pc it s fine) |
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 15:06
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 16:24
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On 2013-07-18 12:00, untilthereislight wrote:
Thanks for the review frisbeehead.
I realized I got a bit too excited too quickly. When I made the post I didnt realize Logic X doesnt support 32 bit plugins. I think on mountain Lion you can still run Logic 9 in 32 bit mode? I may be wrong. Once I get a new machine I may consider buying Logic X and using it simultaneously.
For now though Im sticking with my snow leopard and logic 9 which is working great. I dont need that headache.
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yep, but even if you have 9 on Mountain Lion, you still won't be able to use the 32 bit plug-ins. remember what happened when Lion first came out? all developers had to update their plug-ins. you can run them in 32 bit, but they HAVE to be 64bit ready!
what this means is: even though it's possible to have Logic 9 in Mountain Lion, you're still not able to use your dearest plug-ins that haven't been updated yet!
I really like the midi plug-ins though. It's the part of it that shines. And being able to pick a group of notes and change, say, from C major to minor scale with the click of a button.
Noticed that the ES1 has a new feature under the hood. When you press the down arrow for the hidden features, there's a new "filter enhance" (or something like that) feature that makes it sound different. But all in all, the instruments and the whole pack is just the same.
as for the window size, the "worthless space" can be hidden if you press the button on the top right corner, same as before. the windows are now scalable - that's actually a nice thing. You can get huge or tiny with the package plug-ins.
I'm going to go ahead and say this: I think that from Logic 7 to 8 the changes in the interface made a lot of sense and it was slick! I really don't like this new interface! I like how it's easier to look at things like midi tracks and audio waves in the arrangement, that's actually better. But why did they move things around so much? I mean, if you open the library it's so huge and with big flashy new icons in there. It's on the left now.
The new mixer, the only good thing about it: the meters are not dashed. That's it! The one in 9 was less clutered and more slick to my eyes. Who needs fucking icons on the mixer? And where the fuck is the simple mono/stereo button that used to be on the bottom of the channels before?
I got stuck, first time using it, even to change the grid to 1/32th. I kid you not! After using Logic for years now! Had to costumize the toolbar to show even the bloody cpu meters - they've made it standard not to show them, which is quite funny, since the engine is untouched!
And that's where it gets nasty! Even the latest issue from Music Tech dedicated to Logic Pro had an article about rumours for Logic X. They've clearly pointed out that Logic 9 has issues with distributing threads for the CPU cores seamlessly. So, why on earth are they pushing us to 64 bit territory, again? Ok, you can have access to bigger sampler libraries that would otherwise be limited. You can use large amounts of RAM. But what about actual performance? They simply didn't touch it! Makes everyone (including developers) move to 64bit for what? Using more ram? They should have adressed this issues, even for 9!
What about new Audio Unit version? To better handle audio and midi? Not today folks! Try again! That's actually the thing that would make the whole 64 bit thing actually worth it, right? It feels like, yeah we got 64 bit computers now, so forget 32 bit folks. But everything stays the same, just that, you see, can't really use what you had before. But don't get angry, everything looks better now! See? that's Logic X! That's Apple!
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 16:40
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but the thing is: regardless of our opinion of a new DAW versin, that's what the developers are going to focus on from now on. someone here said - and it's true - that what's behind this all is making you feel like you need a better computer to be able to deal with new and more feature rich software. my opinion, though (and seems like I'm not alone here) is that the major change has been COSMETIC. and for worse!
I wasn't pleased, being a long time Mac user with the new OS themselves, since they implied this kind of changes without providing enough advantages for Pro Users that relly heavily on third party plug-ins to make the move. It's insane, seeing that there's money invested in our stuff - yes, even software costs money right? - to impose such a move, leaving so much to dry in the sand. For what?
But I figure that the time has come to think about this stuff. I'm not pleased with Apple's current strategy. I see them focusing to much on their new toy (yes, I'm calling it that) gadgets. Who really cares that you can control Logic with an Ipad? It's quite absurd that you couldn't before, tbo! I mean, even Ableton had it and it's not Apple, right? So a simple update would make iOS users happy, but it's not a big deal, at least for me it isn't. I have hardware controllers and I'm not going to change those over an Ipad...
We'll have to wait and see if new plug-ins will be compatible with Logic 9 and for how long, and probably think about an alternative to this club of "cool" apple people we've subconsciously joined without knowing it's a trap. Rant over |
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 18:46
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 19:01
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On 2013-07-18 16:24, frisbeehead wrote:
yep, but even if you have 9 on Mountain Lion, you still won't be able to use the 32 bit plug-ins. remember what happened when Lion first came out? all developers had to update their plug-ins. you can run them in 32 bit, but they HAVE to be 64bit ready!
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what? i'm running logic 9 on ML in 32 bit mode and those old 32bit plugins work flawlessly. only if i run logic in 64 bit mode, the compatibilty-thing launches and creates problems with some of them.
maybe they only have to be 64 bit ready if you switch on "only allow applications from mac app store and identified developers" in the sercurity prefs? |
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untilthereislight
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Posted : Jul 19, 2013 13:31
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On 2013-07-18 19:01, Padmapani wrote:
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On 2013-07-18 16:24, frisbeehead wrote:
yep, but even if you have 9 on Mountain Lion, you still won't be able to use the 32 bit plug-ins. remember what happened when Lion first came out? all developers had to update their plug-ins. you can run them in 32 bit, but they HAVE to be 64bit ready!
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what? i'm running logic 9 on ML in 32 bit mode and those old 32bit plugins work flawlessly. only if i run logic in 64 bit mode, the compatibilty-thing launches and creates problems with some of them.
maybe they only have to be 64 bit ready if you switch on "only allow applications from mac app store and identified developers" in the sercurity prefs?
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Yep thats what I thought.
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Posted : Jul 19, 2013 20:01
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didn't know about that. thought that you'd have trouble just by changing the OS. but I'm glad to know that!
I don't think the Retro Synth is such a big deal. the filters sound nice, even when the resonance is driven hard - analogue style self resonanting behaviour, possibly modeled after a Moog. The Wavetable thing is rather basic, at least I didn't see an option to choose more wavetables there - but the sound is also cool.
The drummer thing, after playing with it for a while is a good alternative to something like toon track or the packs NI have for Kontakt. The drumer companion thing, that first sounds silly is actually a fun way to get some "realistic drum action" if you want the drum rolls on a break before you unleash all evil back (odd choice of words here, yeah...)...
being able to use the track stacks is also a cool addition, making things easier to grasp on more crowded projects.
noticed that the old legacy plug-ins, in the audio-units sub-menu has some new things, like a new distortion (or maybe it's old but surely has a new look, will have to check...).
what I think is: if you have something like Melodyne in your plug-in collection, you have all flex pitch functionality covered. plus, it's much better then Flex Pitch is - despite the fact that it adds a few clicks and ticks on the workflow...
if you have something like Monark or Diva, it eats Retro Synth's capacity for sounding like analogue for breakfast! even though the later eat much more cpu cycles then the integrated one. Wavetables? Massive is just miles ahead of it for that... could go on, but you see the point.
I think that they've extended the bandwidth of the equalizer. (not sure this is absolutely true, besides the visual feedback being different, but I know you can highpass on 20Hz now, you're not even able to see the filter's slope on the graph, and same for highs...).
i can take away the icons on the mixer, so that's cool! And after personalizing the transport section, it shows stuff like it used to. there's like a sub menu for other functions, like: repeat, merge, split from locators, so forth and so on - I heavily personalize this on 9 so will have to check how that plays out...
I know that the "pressing Escape to select functions" shortcut is not working and couldn't find an alternative for that and got frustrated.
I mentioned the mono/solo thing. it's still there but changed place. now you select that at the input level, instead of output, but the results are the same. only, if your audio track is fed by a given bus, you can mono it on the beggining of the chain, rather then later - I think.
dashed meters or similar to cubase ones... well, does it make that much difference? not to me. just that using groups is much more easy now, with the track stacks, so you're able to find what you need without much scrolling...
now the audio and midi tracks display a meter for "gain reduction", I bet this only works with logic's own plug-ins (I have nothing else instaled on this partition, so couldn't test it). it's a welcome feature, altough it doesn't really matter much. if you're using compressors and you don't check how much gain reduction is taking place, you're a fool XD
now, the smart controlls. this feature is actually a good one. You can assign many parameters to just one knob (and this knob to a controller) and do a tweak with just one knob - kind like what you can do with Racks in Ableton.
32 bit plus out, still out regardless of new stuff
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Posted : Jul 19, 2013 21:41
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thanks mate for the report.
i have read it s a lot less slugish than logic 9, more responsive on busy project
smart control and midi plugins and drumer are winner it seems.
drumer the sound it come with sound really good but just to make some midi file it s gonna be great to use with our own synthetic drum |
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Posted : Jul 19, 2013 23:35
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I would be interested to know if the responsiveness that is being touted is true for 64bit 9 to X users, or just 32bit 9 to X users.
When any DAW starts getting near (or, frankly, even not that near) the RAM boundaries then dynamic memory allocation performance inevitably takes a huge hit (and daws have to do a lot of that for new tracks). It's another upside to a 64 bit daw and heavy amounts of RAM.
Of course, the way that Apple are forcing it down their 'valued' customers throats is pretty much exactly the way to not do it in my book at least.
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Posted : Jul 19, 2013 23:43
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dunno but i think it s cause they remade the interface more than ram, what do you thinK? i m never close to max the ram with my needs and it sure don't feel super responsive,would need to try X to check
was wondering maybe there is not much in the update cause they re coded a lot of stuff to have a fresh base to update later.
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