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untilthereislight
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Posted : Jul 16, 2013 20:37:42
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So Apple just announced the new Logic X.
http://www.apple.com/logic-pro/
Havent had a chance to check it out yet since im running Snow Leopard. Finally I have a good reason to update!
Loads of new plugins, new mixer, drum designer, new synths and for me the best new feature so far looks to be Flex Pitch.
Im dissapointed they didnt update the EXS24 though which I thought could really use a facelift.
But all in all im pretty excited and looking forward to getting my hands on it!
What do you guys think??
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 17, 2013 00:41
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untilthereislight
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Posted : Jul 17, 2013 00:59
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Yep the 64bit only thing really sucks. Damn....Would be cool if there was a way to simultaneously run v9 and 10 like with pro tools 10 and 11.
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untilthereislight
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Posted : Jul 17, 2013 01:14
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Ok so I just found out that you can infact have 2 installations of Logic! So you can run both 9 and 10 on the same machine!
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 00:10
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even so, by moving to lion you cease to be able to use 32 bit plug-ins, right? thus defeating the advantage of having both installed?
I think the integrated flex pitch thing is most welcome. but I'll have to think if I can drop on the plug-in oldies just like that. the extra synth must be nice and all, but you can get by with what you have these days - who needs another fancy analogue sounding software synth, right?
The midi instruments plays another big part of the "pros" for moving to 10.... why do they make this difficult? why? |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 00:23
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Make no mistake, Apple is not about making your life easier/better, its about scamming as much money from you as possible.
If they did care about producers, they would at least provide a bridge for 32bit plugs into Logic X and allow it to run on older OS.
But they don't.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 00:31
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On 2013-07-18 00:23, Nectarios wrote:
Make no mistake, Apple is not about making your life easier/better, its about scamming as much money from you as possible.
If they did care about producers, they would at least provide a bridge for 32bit plugs into Logic X and allow it to run on older OS.
But they don't.
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truth! it's a simple fact that some fail to see... even the move into 64 bit (with no option) is forcing the evolution of stuff towards what's convinient for them, rather then the user... makes absolutely no sense to drop 32 bit so soon for applications that rely heavily on third party plug-ins, with so many people having them in their projects or still making use of them.
I've heard they were supposed to have a better, more updated version of the Audio Unit - more stable and that deals with audio inputs properly (pretty much like vst3 does), but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere. Also, this is the most important one for me: do you guys know if the distribution of threads per core was perfected? I mean, you could easily overload just one core with plenty of plug-ins in one channel, unlike Cubase,for example... If they've managed to solve that, I may consider updating...
anyone has any ideas on any of this?
would be cool to ear some reviews from people who tested it yet to...
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 01:34
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to me it s well worth the cash what annoy me is just the 10,8,4 and 32 bit drop..
but i m not even sure to have plugins that are not 64 bit..except waldorf largo they said during summer and soundtoys coming with 64 bit plugs too everyhting else i can think off is 64 these days ?
aslo i really need audio units to allow more flexible routing with midi..thats my number one issu with logic 9..
i m not sure but i thin k i have read the cpu threads distribution is the same.
to me the synth seems great, the wavetable part look/sound intresting |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 02:00
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well, you said Largo and I was thinking: D Pole! But I'm sure there's plenty more on my list.
and I'm thinking here: for "just" another synthesizer and a drummer thing which I'll probably never get to use (kind off), plus a different interface, do I really need it?
I mean, granted you have something like Melodyne, who really needs Flex Pitch? I read it's monophonic, whereas Melodyne can even detect chords. It's cool to have things integrated, makes life easier and workflow faster, but... You see what I mean?
I was really expecting a better and more modern sampler. The CPU performance thing should really be delt with to! We Logic users have developed some cpu saving skills... Am I the only one that sometimes uses auxiliary channels where you don't need one? Just to distribute stuff between the cores? Better midi integration for Audio Units is a must as well... They've packed a decent arpeggiator, which is also fine, should have done that ages ago! Although, everyone could set one up in the Environment window before - but was really rather stupid... The scales thing seems nice to! Ableton's had it for a while now, and I think FL to...
What I'm thinking here is: I can easily cover the new features with some plug-ins I already own (except maybe for the drummer companion...), so with this in mind it doesn't seem like a great deal for 4 years in the making...
I'm sure the Bass Amps also sound cool and all, but there's plenty of that stuff flying around for anyone that has an interest for them long before they came up with this.. |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 02:55
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i don't see anything that'd really improve my workflow here.
the one-window thing bugs me a bit (as well as 64bit only), logic 9 also has the capability for that and i never use it. when you only got one window, how do you compare two midi regions?
basically the only thing i really want from new versions of logic is the removal of bugs. i seriously question if they should bother to add new features if they can't make a program that doesn't forget all your controller assignments if you start it once with your controller switched off, or one that shows you the right cursor, or one that actually records your automation every time instead of every second time, .....
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i had noticed the enormous drain on cpu power on my old computer too, getting worse with every new version of logic. at the end it would get stuck ("cpu overload") every few seconds, even with nearly everything bounced to audio (partially even with no channel actually playing anything at the time!). what efficiently solves this problem ime is exactly what apple wants you to do. with my new macbook i can now run 20 instances of diva, 10 instances of ace and 60 instances of zebra per track without the slightest hiccup. and the cpu meter never goes beyond 30%. i'm slowly starting to believe that they purposefully sabotage performance on older macs.... |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 04:32
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I do believe that. not only them, but companies like adobe also do that. if you think about it: it does exactly the same. any doubts about that, think about something like MS Office... see? no question about that. but it's silly...
well, my computer can handle stuff just fine. I've some projects that go into 120-130 tracks and the cpu meters get near red zone, but with some margin... so I've been able to do my music with as much complexity as I want. but I can drag almost any cpu to its limits pretty damn fast XD
now, what I complain about is actually that I don't feel that Logic deals with it as good as Cubase does, let alone Ableton... in Ableton I completely forget about cpu. I just play along and it doesn't get in your way, it's got a more efficient way of dealing with system resources then Logic does...
I'm installing logic X in a partition with mountain lion right now. will test my favourite plugs to see if they're compatible... sad to know soundtoys hasn't made it yet, I use those a lot... but will take a look and let you guys know what I think about it. my test will be very focused on performance, mostly... cheers |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 06:40
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@untilthereislight
there's absolutely nothing new about the mixer. it's just the looks that have changed. i noticed, for example, we used to have a button there for turning an audio track to mono with one click - that's gone now, don't ask me why.
pressing escape to choose fade (pressing 0) does nothing, making the first WTF, seriously? moment I've had with it...
as for loads of new plug-ins, are you even serious? you've got the retro synth, that sounds ok, but nothing that comes close to diva or monark or anything like that...
so many stuff they could do... like adding an analogue modelled bus compressor, eq, a better filter (yes, it's not properly top notch for a while, a better sampler that could live up to the competition, like kontakt... I could go on and on... overall, the interface has changed a lot, I don't know where to find some stuff and I find it irritating, since there's no big changes that make you think: ok, so this happened for a good reason. No, it's just the same old Logic with an Amp Designer for Bass now, that sounds trully cool, tested with synth bass, but that's cool. the flex pitch thing, on a first test sounded (I dare say it) nothing special to me after using stuff like Melodyne, it falls short to say the least...
I get less latency with my sound card, but the cpu meters seem rather busy even when doing nothing (practicly nothing)...
so, you want to know what I think? Sticking with snow leopard and Logic 9 and, will most likely look at Ableton or something like this if wanting to keep in pace with new stuff... I'm getting sick of the Apple strategies, always pushing towards new computers and stuff, always making this crazy ultra polished looks, and just that... ok, you can organize tracks into groups now, folders and all of that, that's cool, but so what? nothing that a simple update wouldn't do... yes, you have like 4 new stomp boxes, good luck with that for 200USD!!!
yeah, handling the threads is just the same which is a god damn shame for 4 years if you ask me!
what seems really nice is the midi! if you open an external instrument, you can tick an option that says "with plug-in", where you have the basic options. then the new controller thing (don't know the name yet) allows you to add knobs to parameters, like filter cuttoff, so that's a good thing... you have arp, scales, some midi effects, etc... best thing they've done. overall, if you have a nice workflow, and a nice pack of plug-ins that cover what you need, there's nothing to fancy to make it worth the trouble, let alone be good enough to justify loosing some plug-ins that I'm sure most of us praise more then a fucking bass amp simulator (even though it sounds cool and all...)...
sorry if there's apple fanatics out there that get annoyed by this review, but it's just what I think. cheers |
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 10:05
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for guys with ipad the app look good
i was expecting more..specially with the time logic 9 is out but for the price it s still a good update..i m mean i wouldnt feel like i get steal.. the price is ridiculous for what you get, it s the price of one plugin synth..
a better eq,comp ,sampler ect...woul have been nice..but we don t really need these with all the great third party stuff |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 11:21
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On 2013-07-18 10:05, PoM wrote:
a better eq,comp ,sampler ect...woul have been nice..but we don t really need these with all the great third party stuff
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Except that a lot of great third party stuff is 32bit only and you can't use them in Logic.
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untilthereislight
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Posted : Jul 18, 2013 12:00
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Thanks for the review frisbeehead.
I realized I got a bit too excited too quickly. When I made the post I didnt realize Logic X doesnt support 32 bit plugins. I think on mountain Lion you can still run Logic 9 in 32 bit mode? I may be wrong. Once I get a new machine I may consider buying Logic X and using it simultaneously.
For now though Im sticking with my snow leopard and logic 9 which is working great. I dont need that headache.
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