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Logic Pro 8 or Cubase 4
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piko_bianko
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Posted : May 7, 2008 19:48
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i haven't used logic 8 myself
i use cubase 4 @ the recording studio that i work..
and i'd say,
logic !
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mubali
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Posted : May 7, 2008 20:04
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On 2008-05-07 10:43, MadScientist wrote:
just to clarify mubali, some of these things are in a way possible:
1. you got unlimited timestretch in the waveditor.
2. automation waveforms you dont have directly, but you can for example convert the data of an audio region to track automation.
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It's nice to see some workarounds for such things, but for workflow fluidity, I would like features built in. Theres nothing more creativity halting than having to do 30 million steps just to do something simple.
Here's another issue I have with Logic: Yes the environment is very powerful and you can do wonderful routing things with it, but let's say I want more than 30 audio channels and I haven't set up my autoload, or I want more buses than I have already in the environment. I then have to stop what I'm doing, go into the environment and make more audio objects and route them, yada yada yada... I honestly just like inserting audio tracks till I'm blue in the face if I need to. The only thing I like about Logic in this standpoint is that you can route one bus to another bus, and the fact that you can have unlimited efx on each channel. However once you start offline processing in Cubase, it really doesn't matter how big your chain is... sure it's nice to just load up 14 different efx and see how they work together, but most of the time I don't use more than 6 anyway... The other thing that I think Cubase 4 fixed that I like is being able to swap order of plugins... That's a nice feature Logic has had since 5.5 and can make things very interesting... However, since Cubase sx3 doesn't have that feature, it made me really start looking at signal flow. (that and saving my presets if I need to switch things around)
Here's another negative on Cubase 4 though... It really doesn't seem quite as stable as one would want it to be. I won't be switching to 4 anytime soon, until most of the bugs are worked out. Not to say I haven't had my issues with Logic 8, just less of them...
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MadScientist
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Posted : May 7, 2008 20:23
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afaik, you got at least A LOT of audiotracks in logic8...at least I didnt came to the point where I cant make any new ones yet  for adding them, there are 2 buttons on the top left corner of the arrange window. one is add new track, the other is duplicate track...this works kinda quick for me.
about the busses, you got 65 of them in logic 8 if I'm right...this should be acceptable I think, and you simply add them with routing anything to a new bus. that bus will be automatically created then.
honestly you dont really need to go in the environment/mixer anymore, except for some advanced routing...you can do all in the inspector now. for example, simply click on a send and the bus its send to will be on the right, click on another send and that one will be there, click on the output of the channel and that one will be on the right and so on...it just doesnt work with the right channel of the inspector.
one thing I would really like to add is the fact that you can have almost all tools you will ever need without changing your tools. when you enable the right button of your mouse for a third tool instead of the dialog, you got already 3 with left click, right click and apple+ left click...then you can press ctrl+alt+left click and it will give you the glasses, or if you do that above automation you get the automation curve tool...and then with ctrl+right click you get a dialog box to change the tools just in the place where you are and with ctrl+left click the usual dialog box that is on the right click if you didnt enable 3 tools...this makes a pretty fast workflow for me.
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mubali
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Posted : May 8, 2008 00:09
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True... Let's just say for sake of argument, that everyone's workflow is different and it's really just the minute details that makes one person use another software. How I like to work makes me favor Cubase, how you like to work makes you favor Logic. Back to the topic at hand, you should use whichever one makes you the most comfortable. With either program you can make good music or crappy music with the same ease, you just have to understand how your brain works and see which programs responds to you more intuitively.
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MadScientist
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Posted : May 8, 2008 00:18
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exactly...I didnt want to argue with you which one is better, just thought I could clear some things about logic for you mate.
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Suloo
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Posted : May 8, 2008 00:21
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Hm..flexible routing is the biggest advantage with cubase 4 and vst3(sidechain/sound)..that should be reason enough to switch to 4 in my view,you can route a bus into a bus and back if you want too,so endless plugins possible..but if you really need that amount of plugins to make the sound good..most of the time the sound itself needs to be improved..even those small bugs are not that bad,i do not recognize them btw....and i don`t feel limited at all with my setup and what i`m doing..just some features like arranger track for example could be more flexible..for live performance..and about stability..its just a problem with 3 party plugins that might be try before buy or something..haven`t had any crashes with cubase only plugs and my external synth for a long time..logic 7 was way more instable..not that its really crashing down,but a lot of driver overload issues drove people nuts,thats why heaps of people switched over to cubase..don`t know if logic 8 has improved it..and workflow related,all the shortcuts are personaly assignable..so one could even set switch instrument on right click in cubase..but thats where the main menu is set to..so i got my tools on 1-6 or something..and a lot of shortcuts and macros assigned..wich makes working very fast as well..no plus in logic for me to that point..even that audio stuff with hitpoints to quantize audio or strech just sepecific parts a bit works better than in logic..
even the global transpose track is very nice thing..you can create this transpose track and draw kind of automation wherever you want in semitones or oktaves up and down and assign all your track or just specific to follow this arranger..nice if you have to record vocals for a track and just need to find the right key of your whole track to fit with the singer..goes really fast and effective..
i even do not want to say this one is better than or something..its alway like the one is better in that..or the other is more flexible with that........just wait until next update and its implemented anyway..atleast the big advantages of one of these softwares..
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 11, 2008 16:34
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : May 11, 2008 17:35
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Cubase!
Seriously. Work on both systems and find out whats best for you.
Just one thing!!!
DON'T Listen to me! Or anybody who has not worked, with out preconceptions, on both systems for a while and is not a PC or MAC hater.
I work on cubase and love it. I tried Logic for a day or so, I hated it. But that doesn't say anything, since one really has to give a software much more of a try, than what I did.
I know many people who switched from one platform to the other. They are the some who know a little what they are talking about.. But really KNOW would mean they know the newest versions of both DAWs... Which is no one I know.
Those here who REALLY Know both DAW in newest versions, those who have really worked on a professional level on it. That are the only persons who can give you a bit of an opinion. But even those have personal preferences...
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Servellen
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Posted : May 12, 2008 14:43
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I love them both, VSTi that come with logic 8 are great and the automation in Logic I prefer also. Offline processing and audio editing is better in Cubase.
Think sound engine also produces slightly different sound even with same plugs and settings.
At Prahlad's studio which is Cubase SX 4, we plugin my Mac logic 8 into audio in of his DAW and plug midi out from Cubase into mac to synch midi.
That way we can use logic as an external instrument while we sequence in Cubase SX. Best of both worlds that way.
Cheers,
Sander
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C3PO
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Posted : May 14, 2008 01:22
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On 2008-05-07 02:40, mubali wrote:
I'd probably switch back to Logic in a heartbeat... Of course this would require me to buy a mac first....
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Not anymore, today you can run Logic on any OSX compatible PC. Since the technical difference between PC and Mac has disappeared. 
>>> FOR SALE: Mac-clone OSX86 Audio Workstation <> Perfect computer for Logic 9 Pro <<<
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sly
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Posted : May 14, 2008 03:10
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just by the way, i prefer both compared to ableton and fl...
yes, like scm said we really need a pro working on both platforms.
i used logic 7 and if i had the money i would have switched to cubase. but i didn't and then logic 8 came.
for me it's just the ultimate package. the handling improved much and with that kinds of plugins for such a low price (and no dongle) it's just killer.
but i don't work that much with audio yet (guess it will change in future) and neither i am familiar with cubase 4.
i think there's no reason to worry about audio tracks, routing, buses and sends in logic. if i will ever reach a point where i need more, i will have lost the control over my track anyways.
the workflow on both platforms is just a question of knowledge, setup and experience imo. i guess there's almost everything adjustable for your needs.
so yeah, take your time to try out both. and buy logic when you can't afford cubase |
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jorge
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Posted : Jul 19, 2008 12:17
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logic synths are the best |
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jorge
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Posted : Jul 19, 2008 12:20
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audio= protools .midi =ableton .synths =logic |
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0hz
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Posted : Jul 19, 2008 18:03
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whatever you chose, don't chose ableton for music production. ableton's audio quality is lacking and doesn't stand up to cubase or logic or sonar or FL.
now im sure some one will jump and say "you don't know what you talking about ableton 64bit audio engine is of extreme HQ". many people who produce or do live shows with ableton say that ableton lacks punch and clarity.
there is a reason for that and you can preform a quick test.
open ableton drop in a kick sample or whatever just as long as it has some bass frequencies in it, export with no fx or warp in 32bit high quality setting.
then do the same with cubase.
drop the 2 exported samples in audition and also drop in the original sample. then compare the samples in frequency analysis to the original and you will see that the ableton exported sample lacks in bass and the high frequencies have a phase shift/unwanted artifacts.
the cubase exported sample is exactly the same as the original. (make sure when u export the samples, don't change anything not even the volume).
if you chose cubase4 be aware that cubase4 has many bugs that will annoy you at some point.
as for logic8, i didnt have a chance to work with it at a pro level. from my experience with logic it has very good plugins and a work flow that suits me more then cubase work flow.personally i would chose logic if i didnt have to get a mac and reinstall everything, but that might be because im annoyed by cubase4 bugs
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pilgrim
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Posted : Jul 19, 2008 22:03
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then compare the samples in frequency analysis to the original and you will see that the ableton exported sample lacks in bass and the high frequencies have a phase shift/unwanted artifacts.
could you explain me please how you did that test, have tried all day to get real comparable data on my two testfiles,... i'm new to audition but I only get frequency analysis on a momentary basis, how do you analyse one file?
i really would like to do some a/b testing, would be really greatful if you could help me to do the right settings in audition...
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