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parrah
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Posted : Sep 17, 2004 06:45
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i dont think apple would invest so much buying logic if not at long term. so, i would not indicate you to use logic today counting on apple crash to then be able to get the next version for pc... pin!  |
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Zoolog
Zoolog
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Posted : Sep 17, 2004 18:58
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This subject have been my favourite for several years. So....
Logic 5.5.1 vs. Cubase SX2 (PC)
First of all I know ppl. who work both programs and have created several great tracks in both. Im rather convinced that there is no difference in sound of significance. Neither do i believe that anything except from monitors, hard work and soundcards can bring you what your are looking for.
-All features of the core sequenser Logic 5.5.1, that i know of, is within the SX series of cubase (except for the enviroment part of logic, which was exchanged with something alot better).
-As an addition SX have alot of the nice features you find in Logic 6, as timestretch-dragging and internal bounce.
-The user interface on SX is far closer to what real mixers look like and work. This can be a handy experience when working in a big studio.
-The implementation of Plug-ins is smarter (it can find your plugs itself)
-The implementation of hardware is way easier (cubase has "midi sketches" for most common synths).
-The SX design is rather futuristic, compared to the much older look of Logic.
Ok, that was it for Logic, i should probally mention that im a devoted Emagic nerd, and i could hardly imagine myself dream about changing it for anything!
As for ProTools i will say this: If you are planning on using midi, dont, and dont buy the Digidesign soundcards, unless your planning on creating a rock band (and i know your not, Rishi) !! |
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Rishi
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 13:11
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Dead on Zoolog  Im not planning to create a rock band just yet :group
And i have come to the conclusion , that i for starters will stick with cubase ,(maybe upgrading to sx 3.0 ) but definetly upgrading my monitors, and soundcard, so i honestly can say if i am satisfied with my sound ( and cubase's sound for that sake)
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 18:36
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"First of all I know ppl. who work both programs and have created several great tracks in both. Im rather convinced that there is no difference in sound of significance. Neither do i believe that anything except from monitors, hard work and soundcards can bring you what your are looking for. "
yeah, i totaly agree.,
you can make a god track with almost anything.,
but my experience with the two proggies is a little different.,
"All features of the core sequenser Logic 5.5.1, that i know of, is within the SX series of cubase (except for the enviroment part of logic, which was exchanged with something alot better). "
hmm.,., how about recording midi data while playing back (to catch those "wow, i wished i recorder that!" situations ?
or looping of parts.?
or 'live' groove quantize?
or good automation tools?
or a reasonable sample editor?
these are just a few from the top of my head.,
couldnt find them in SX 2 ., 
about the environment, i havent found anything similar in cubase..,
how can you say it's better in cubase when the environment is so powerfull?.,
could you, for instance, set up cubase to play a midi part through 5 synths with a few mouse-clicks?.,
havent found that yet in sx.,
"-The user interface on SX is far closer to what real mixers look like and work. This can be a handy experience when working in a big studio."
hmm.,., have you ever worked with a big console?.,
did you notice that a channel is NOT 5x wider than the fader AND the eq still fits in the strip., not so with sx.,
in fact, there is almost nothing that reminds me of a real console except maybe for the looks of buttons n faders n stuff.,.,
but when it comes to functionality there is by no means the ammount of clutter that one finds in the SX (2) mixer.,
that's why i see the sx mixer as a pure computer/digital mixer., i would never compare its functionality to a real console.,
"The implementation of Plug-ins is smarter (it can find your plugs itself) "
what i realy DO like about SX is that it saves everything into a project folder,.
logic requires you to manage stuff yourself much more,
"The implementation of hardware is way easier (cubase has "midi sketches" for most common synths)."
i dont know this function, can you explain what it does exacly?
"The SX design is rather futuristic, compared to the much older look of Logic. "
on the other hand, logic does not burn your eyes on those late-night sessions 
but honestly, i like logic's look because it's not filled with graphics.,
you can make everything small without it becomming too small to read or looking too busy..,
cubase seems more 'chunky' to me.,
anyway, whatever's your cup of tea
ooh, btw, you can use Digidesigns hardware (Pro Tools) inside logic.,
you can even use the dedicated pro tools plugins from logic!,.
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PsYx
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 20:24
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"what i realy DO like about SX is that it saves everything into a project folder,.
logic requires you to manage stuff yourself much more,"
It's covered in Logic 6...called "Project Manager", but not for PC...
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dj nico
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Posted : Sep 27, 2004 16:42
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cheers zildoggo , i totaly agree with you , it doen't matter whitch prog you use,if you wanna make a track...
the cool thing on steinbergs stuff is the audio editing, you can apply any audio or vst fx on every audio file you like and all that without realtime bounce, like logic do.
and if you don't know about a program ,just get a manual from the net and you'll get straight to what you are looking for, that helps a lot
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Sep 27, 2004 19:42
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" you can apply any audio or vst fx on every audio file you like and all that without realtime bounce, like logic do. "
i agree that it's very handy.,
fortunately emagic fixed this a little.,
logic 6 has a freeze function.,
but i dont have logic 6 yet!!! boohoohoo.,
greets.,
aka.,
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 27, 2004 20:53
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Sep 27, 2004 21:41
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"Also in Cubase you can destructively apply, say, six plugins to an audio file... then go back and remove one of them and change the parameters of another - and Cubase will re-apply all the other processing for you!"
isnt that the very definition of NON-destructive?
or does it edit over the original file and keeps a difference-file or something?.,
it IS a cool option tho
greets.,
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Meta
Meta/Boomslang
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Posted : Sep 27, 2004 22:26
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Cubase SX creates a new audio folder (called Audio Pool) for that song and saves a new copy of each file you add to the pool, so you can edit/FX/destroy any sound file you want without worrying about mucking the original.
This makes it much, much easier to move songs around to different computers, without worrying about forgetting to copy along all the samples you use from your various sample storage folders.
Also, like Colin mentioned, applying a series of VST FX directly to your audio files is just fantastic. The CPU load this saves you is wonderful... while Cubase has the track-based VST freeze function like Logic 6, I hardly need to use it since so much of the VST CPU load I experienced in my Logic tracks were from audio track FX.
The way SX handles audio is, hands down, the #1 reason I switched. If Iwas a Mac user and had the option of upgrading to Logic 6, maybe there would have been some debate in my mind... but that's not the case...
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Sep 27, 2004 22:43
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yeah.,., on pc cubase is definitely better at the moment.,
that's why i am learning it.,
but it's hard to reinvent the whole procedure of how you make a track ,., you need to do things differently.,.,
so i have to rework my whole process of creating and where to find things., bugger.,
but soon i will know both logic and cubase !!
that cant be a bad thing
anyway,. thnx 4 the info ppl.,
greets.,
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