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Soma_Happiens
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 09:58
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On 2011-06-14 00:04, Perma Fry wrote:
Hi,
I found both your views really interesting.
But I feel Beat Agency is correct. Money will be there no matter how bad you want to remove it. Its the lubricant on the wheel of life.
Well, coming back to the topic. There must be something one can do to lock the file from being copied.
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while back on a topic  first of all where is a fence, there is a walk around, where is a wall, there is a window too. if one locks its music nobody stops these bloody pirates (rarrr) to rerecord it with sound forge cool edit etc. secondly, if you release your music on cd you also have to remember that any one who legally owns a release of your music is legally allowed to make one copy of it for the backup purposes. so according to the legal framework of the copyright it is not illegal to copy copyrighted material, it is illegal to distribute it, so i believe the only barrier that is left is common sense and personal attitude towards copyrights, and nothing will change unless human perception is changed ant it is a hard work where P2P networks don't help
  In A Society That Has Abolished All Adventure The Only Adventure That Remains Is To Abolish Society
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 11:04
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yes yes free music is cool i shared all my stuff for free last 3 years (2 albums and 2 ep's)
but i have no more time for music , need to work. (at least some of it still connects with music)
and yes until 4 years ago i could live of cd's and gigs.
amazingly gigs got lost with the music becoming free
people appreciate expensive stolen goods rather then freebies
but who cares im happy with anything i do and i still make some music on weekends
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untilthereislight
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 11:10
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Exactly, its a never ending losing battle and the artist cannot win. I for one do not endorse illegal downloading but its impossible to stop it imo. The only way is to reach some kind of compromise and stop wasting precious time and energy fighting pirates and instead direct it towards making better music.
Some artists have a pay pal donation box on their website which is a very good idea. Another way is to sell cds at gigs or keep them at your friends store/cafe. All that money comes to the artist no labels, contracts nothing.
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Beat Agency
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 11:28
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On 2011-06-14 11:10, untilthereislight wrote:
Exactly, its a never ending losing battle and the artist cannot win. I for one do not endorse illegal downloading but its impossible to stop it imo. The only way is to reach some kind of compromise and stop wasting precious time and energy fighting pirates and instead direct it towards making better music.
Some artists have a pay pal donation box on their website which is a very good idea. Another way is to sell cds at gigs or keep them at your friends store/cafe. All that money comes to the artist no labels, contracts nothing.
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Nobody donate anything mate 
Check out this debate.
http://forum.isratrance.com/give-something-back-to-the-artists-or-not/
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Upavas
Upavas
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 12:26
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On 2011-06-14 00:47, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-06-14 00:39, Alekzis wrote:
You may say i'm a dreamer but i'm not the only one, i hope some day you will join us and the world will live as one.
That was my last post, because you don't feel what i'm trying to say, and i feel like a stranger here, or actually i feel you as strangers here. because psychedelic trance had nothing to do with money when it started. now in 2011 its only money and glamourness. bye bye
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I do get your point but simply do not agree. Don't act like you are being misunderstood. You are not
I have been part of this scene as an artists since 1994 and I can easily tell you this scene has always been about money. You would be very surprised if you knew how many artists, labels and organizers was into this scene because of money from day one. And a scene no matter genre simply can not exist without money to spin the wheels.
Many artists also do music because they can not live without music in their lives. I am one of them. But that does not mean we should not be paid. One does not rule out the other.
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There was a time in the 80s when parties in Goa were free, however I do not agree that there was no money involved, there may have been no entrance fee, however money did come from somewhere, cops had to be paid off, chai and Samosa stands were there, yhe sound system had to be rented... there had to be money involved, otherwise the parties would not have existed.
The music itself was shared and exchanged without paying, after all there was no label to sell the music. It changed when Twisted Records, TIP, Spiritzone and others like Dragonfly appeared on the scene... And guess what, people actually started buying the music.
We were happy there finally was somewhere we could buy it .
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 12:31
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bandarlog
Bandarlog
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 12:36
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Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 13:59
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On 2011-06-14 12:26, Upavas wrote:
The music itself was shared and exchanged without paying, after all there was no label to sell the music. It changed when Twisted Records , TIP , Spiritzone and others like Dragonfly appeared on the scene ... And guess what , people actually started buying the music. We were happy there finally was somewhere we could buy it .
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Yeaa , Sure ! This is the truth .. I buy many .. T.i.p rec , Matsuri Productions rec , Dragonfly rec ,
Flying Rhino rec , Chris Organic collections - (Organic rec) , Koyot rec and those ..
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Shiranui
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 15:25
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On 2011-06-14 01:00, Beat Agency wrote:
So according to your logic it's OK to steal music?
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I am not saying that it is okay to copy music.
I am saying that it is not the same thing as stealing.
When you steal, you take something away from someone else. Something which costs resources to replace. When you copy music you do not do this.
Here's a question: Why are you not okay with individual people copying your music to listen to privately, but you are okay with someone who paid $2 for one of your tracks, getting paid $500 to DJ it in front of 1000 ppl? |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 15:28
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Another question: why should someone who spends 1 hour producing a track which becomes catchy and is listened to by 500,000 people, get paid more than someone who spends days, weeks or months perfecting a track which is appreciated by only 500?
How do you determine how much compensation an artist "deserves"? Why do you determine it that way?
In my opinion if anyone is a villain here it is people like Max Martin who copy sounds and techniques from lesser-known producers and use them to make cookiecutter pop hits. |
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Shiranui
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 15:30
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I've bought more music since the internet than before the internet.
Before the internet, I did not spend a lot of money on music, and when I got tired of listening to the music I had on CD, I put on the radio--which was free.
Now that we have the internet, instead of listening to the radio I pirate music--which is also free. The main consequence of this is that the variety of music I have access to is much greater--I buy CDs and digital tracks from artists whom I would never have even known about had it not been for music piracy.
You have to face the fact that probably 90% of people who pirate your music would still not buy your music even if they could not pirate it.
Your choice is between:
A. People hear your music, and you don't get any money.
B. People don't hear your music, and you don't get any money.
Which is preferable to you?
(DJs are an exception to this of course--DJs for sure would buy more tracks were piracy not available. However, DJs are a small part of your market.) |
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minus
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 22:19
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On 2011-06-14 11:04, Elad wrote:
yes yes free music is cool i shared all my stuff for free last 3 years (2 albums and 2 ep's)
but i have no more time for music , need to work. (at least some of it still connects with music)
And yes until 4 years ago i could live of cd's and gigs.
amazingly gigs got lost with the music becoming free
people appreciate expensive stolen goods rather then freebies
but who cares im happy with anything i do and i still make some music on weekends
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This is the biggest question which bothers me , how elad put it "" until 4 years ago i could live of cd's and gigs.
amazingly gigs got lost with the music becoming free"",,, is this a pattern which has been happening to more and more artists? with this free music revolution,,are many artists loosing out on gig's and earning a living of their hard work in the studio?
for new upcomming artists, free music on sites like ektoplazm or any other are awesome platforms for promotion and for them to spread their music, to let the world know of your sound and maybe get recognised for their potential and eventually make some money for their hard work in their studios,by getting gigs and maybe getting sighned on some good labels who may produce their album etc,, but in the long term, does this have a negative effect, as elad put it, what is the truth behind this duality?
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Colin OOOD
Moderator
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 00:57
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Perma Fry
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 01:14
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I think Mp3s should be banned!
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Upavas
Upavas
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 04:15
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