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live set, dj set, what's the difference?

mizza


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Posted : Dec 15, 2006 23:58
hello,
to all the experts out there, please don't laugh at me, but i know i'm not the only one who doesn't know the answer to this question: what is the difference between "live set" and "dj set"?? does the artist actually produce the sound live before the crowd or what exactly goes on?? is a dj set when the artist just mixes his/her own music? i realize that a live set is obviously better, but what is the real difference?? can somebody kindly explain to me? thanks!
the dog of tears
the dog of tears

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Posted : Dec 16, 2006 00:20
a live set is not obviously better than a dj set.
dj set= dj picks songs and mixes them together, hopefully well
live set (in the psy trance scene): seems to mean, artist brings their laptop and plays songs directly from software, or in the case of some "live" acts, it's just a dj set but with only their tunes. i think some artists go as far as to bring their access virus to the live set and play some of the patches directly from the synth. but so far i have not seen a live psy trance set that had any truly intense elements of performance (like, say, tweeking the crap out of the patch while it runs out of the virus).

live sets are only better than dj sets if you love the artist enough to hear only their songs for 2 or 3 hours oh and there does seem to be the advantage of hearing the songs in 24/96 and before they've hit the dreaded "mastering" stage...
Jewbacca


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Posted : Dec 16, 2006 00:22
hey mizza whats up...first off before i start let me say that i am not a dj..that being said as far as i know....a dj set has a mix of homemade and "store-bought" (for lack of better phrase). the dj set is usually using turntables or cdjs and sometimes a little sampler, and the dj mixes the music together. the live set is mostly if not all homemade home produced music and sounds, usually they have the dj set up plus more samplers keyboards (some have other instruments Infected brings out guitars sometimes) and they bring out laptops or computers of some sort that have loops and all the hard/time consuming info they have been working on, they take all that mix it together and make it sound like there is no difference between live and dj.

i hope that helped also if my memory serves me correctly not to long ago there was a thread devoted to this topic that had some great information i would dig that up if you need more explanations

namaste,
jewy
mizza


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Posted : Dec 16, 2006 00:28
thanks for the clarification guys!!!! and going by your username, jewbacca, i'd like to wish you a happy hanukkah!
mudpeople
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Posted : Dec 16, 2006 01:14
its a touchy subject around here it seems, pages and pages have been dedicated to whether or not any psy "lives" are actually live, like a band live. Who cares, is what I think. The reason I like lives is you get to hear stuff that youd never hear otherwise. Its not always just loops of songs with a synth over it. Ableton Live makes playing loops a lot more flexible than for example, CUbase, you can layer many different loops with ableton, making it much more on-the-fly and random. Also lives have better sound quality, which you cant always hear, but I tell you, on certain systems, you can really hear the difference.

That, and many artists out there have released only 1 or 2 tracks, but play live all the time, IE Fractal Cowboys (soo good, see them!!!!!). Its more like performance art.
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vishwaatmaaa


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Posted : Dec 16, 2006 01:28
why all the politics? This is a simple question and a good one.

@ Mizza: many people do not know what they are paying for to see a "LIVE SET" - it's great that you asked.

LIVE::
a producer makes his traks on software on a PC LIVE in front of the audience. Some producers choose to lay down a few lines before they create the "LIVE" patches on top; others put more than a few. In either case, they are supposed to be making music in front of you, live, on their equipment, which may include a midi, or other....

DJ::
a DJ plays CDs (or unfortunately sometimes MP3s you may have seen...) and mixes other artists' traks and sometimes his or her own traks into a set. There is no music creation, there is the creation of a journey.

Great live artists include polyphonia and hishiryo - who were both in NY in the last year. Hishiryo created his entire traks from SCRATCH - quite an amazing feat and something very special to see and hear. I was dumbfounded standing behind him, watching him put patch after patch on a simple bass and kick.

Great DJs - that's a different skill set but equally artistic and should be respected as such. Fria in NY is a great example of a DJ who uses her taste and ear and technical talent to move the crowd.

Not all great producers are great performers - either as LIVE or DJ.... but whether into production, live performance, or DJing - these are all different skill sets and require different forms of concentration - as well as different personalities and tastes. It is up to you to decide who is a great LIVE or a great DJ or a great PRODUCER... who moves you???

Is that helpful? I hope so.

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mudpeople
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Posted : Dec 16, 2006 02:16
I caught Polyphonia back in June down by LA, with Horror Place, Alien Mental, Derango, and Fractal Cowboys, and I can honestly say that was the most lives Ive ever seen in that sized party, and each and every one was phreakin PHANTASTIC! Derango at 5am... Horror Place at midnight.... aahhhhh.....

At Symbiosis I caught Psylab from Boston, which is an actual band, drummer, guitarist, keyboardist, and sequencer/sampler/VJ/stuff guy. Pretty interesting! At one point, the bassline was played live by the guitarist, on an electric bass guitar! Different indeed.

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kArO
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Posted : Dec 16, 2006 02:57
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On 2006-12-16 01:28, vishwaatmaaa wrote:
why all the politics? This is a simple question and a good one.




yes, and your answer, like the ones before it, were helpful and informative. i read no politics here


Kane
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Posted : Dec 18, 2006 14:26
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On 2006-12-16 00:20, the dog of tears wrote:
a live set is not obviously better than a dj set.
dj set= dj picks songs and mixes them together, hopefully well
live set (in the psy trance scene): seems to mean, artist brings their laptop and plays songs directly from software, or in the case of some "live" acts, it's just a dj set but with only their tunes. i think some artists go as far as to bring their access virus to the live set and play some of the patches directly from the synth. but so far i have not seen a live psy trance set that had any truly intense elements of performance (like, say, tweeking the crap out of the patch while it runs out of the virus).

live sets are only better than dj sets if you love the artist enough to hear only their songs for 2 or 3 hours oh and there does seem to be the advantage of hearing the songs in 24/96 and before they've hit the dreaded "mastering" stage...



Not necessarily..it just depends on the skill of the PA in the first place. I've heard plenty of great honest live acts that are completely loop based and don't involve live synth playing at all..because there is a lot of crap coming from the "expanded studio" people playing with tables and racks covered with synths, regardless of how many of them are actually functional..

In all, tweaking some cut filter all the time doesn't make a good live act..
BrainLizzard


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Posted : Dec 27, 2006 07:50
A Dj set is as live as a live set.Sure it may depend on what side of the fence you wish to stand on.If a Dj takes their records and pulls kicks,bass,synths and so on from all different
players with the slightest change in tempo. how can one say thats not live or they aren't creating their own sound? Once you add a laptop you could then think that the computer is doing the thinking for them(same for laptop Djs).This would then make it more difficult to Dj than to play live due to the higher risk for mistakes or let's just say "makes the Dj live".I believe if you write your own music and Dj it you are still live.
it seems to be if you don't use Dj gear your live as long as you as you created the sound but i create sound every time i dj that's not on any of the records I'm using.
this is only part of my opinion and what i haven't said is subject to change but i hope it helps in the quest to understand the difference between Dj and live


          


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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 22:39
this is all wonderful and informative, but in the end i dont think it should matter at a party. when i stand right next to a speaker and hear the sounds coming out of it, i am not thinking to myself hmm is live or dj, i am thinking, wow this is amzing or, wow this sux. either way, if the musik is goooood...does it matter. really i think its live all the time, a live artist compiles music from scratch. a dj compiles music from other music. both have thier own sound, thier own flavour. if there is no one in that dj booth theres no music. hence live.           --><--IT IS EXTREMLY ADDICTIVE CONTENT, THE START OF A NEW BEGINING---><---
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