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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Oct 10, 2005 11:56
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yo to all artist
i wonder how u set and perform ur live acts
not deep secrets but general ideas
  Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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sideFXed
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Posted : Oct 10, 2005 13:12
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I'm not a real pro but there are some ideas how to perform live:
Host/Sequencer/Sampler
if you want to use your sequencer, you could bounce parts you don't want to be able to play/tweak realtime and load them into a sampler. there are a number of good tweakable vst fx like ohmboyz delay, volcano fabfilter and lot's others. Other parts you wan't to involve with you could leave in their original state, maybe make some locators that tell you when it's your turn to play or move knobs. Locators also allow you to loop/repeat certain parts so you can let people enjoy parts they like.
One problem on stage is the relialibty of a host. It does so many things if you don't just use audio tracks that it could crash or give you problems with crackles, latency or crashing software/hardware.
dedicated sound applications
some examples for live enviroments.:
live 4/5 (audio and midi), earlier versions of live only use audio. Generally Live will allow you to switch between clip based parts of your arrangement. I think the homepage can explain it better than I do.
www.ableton.com
another plugin that is new and great for live purposes is guru from fxpansion
it allows you to program beats and sequences in patterns, realtime. you can import your sequences chopped into 1/16 and use realtime effects on it. this all is linked with a so called scenes mode, that let's you trigger different arrangements of these patterns
watch the videos of guru, you'll get a good idea how it is done.
http://www.fxpansion.com/product-guru-main.php
I've seen liveacts playing everything live, except some arps that were preprogrammed. it still takes skills to play a arp realtime. I can't to that  tho they used shitty background beats and the rythmic background didn't have enough changes.
I would like to hear different ideas and yeah please do rip my ideas apart - I have no clue how to perform live in a proper way. Just play start and play some voices isn't exactly what I await from a live performance.
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Oct 11, 2005 22:05
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well with ableton things looks like too easy and not much "live" there
mostly pre rendered loops
some sounds from midi soft synths
althou can be nice to record dry loops and fx them with hardware
also dynamics hardware can be used for compressing/noise gating
but for example to record on the fly some loop and loop in in the tracks????
fx different groups of sounds????
Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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bandarlog
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Posted : Oct 11, 2005 23:27
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Well, if you want to know how other complete amateurs do it... My livesetup is this:
1 song/project in FL, with vsti's and vst's running and my cpu @ 75-80% to keep my bloodpressure up  with live p.a. and miditweaking of synths. Then one song in ableton (or cooledit). Every second song is a render of 3 wavs (bass + kick, synth or snares, the rest) so I can adjust those if necessary (most of the times it is, every soundsystem seems different, room acoustics differ etc...) to save cpu so I can load the next (live) project in FL. Like I said VERY amateuristic but at least I don't play mastered wavs like SO many of the more profs. do... |
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jhanna
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 07:19
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On 2005-10-11 22:05, 5Meo-Geo wrote:
well with ableton things looks like too easy and not much "live" there
mostly pre rendered loops
some sounds from midi soft synths
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ok this again? in any sequencer things arent gonna be much "live", u use it so u dont have to play the whole damn thing. ableton is a great tool, but od course u can just drop a longggg wav and push play (ive seen many "pros" do that. but that doesnt mean u can do much more with this beauty. i have it st to send 6 mono outputs to ach channel of a mackie mixer, so i hace control on eq and fx on each track, which is mostly rythm parts and loops, bassline, ambiience and samples and fx . on the latter i add within the program ohmforce filters which tweak the audio fx in an incredible and ver much "live" as it can get. i also rewire reason to use subtractor to add more leads which i always improvise in order and play around with the filters using knobs of midi controller. the i use a vst instrument vanguard for real "live" keyboard input mostly fat rythmic leads, and also albino 2 for the huge pads which are also played realtime and tweaked. the i have an roland sh 101 connected directly to the mackie only trough an electribe sampler for fx, which sometimes i also hook up a mic for crazy mostly mubling incoherent stuff.this is how i do it . i only wish i had more in/outs which are whats really important when setting up a live. this and the most stable daw u can get. 3hz 1 Gb PC with VX pocket and ableton live does it for me. i wouldnt do it with less. i ve seen many many "pros" playing "live" with cds and a synth just sitting there. and people dont really care. i just do it because i find djing reallly boring and overrated.with this set up i can honestly say i am expressing myself , no set is the same ever and when i am uninspired it shows, so i always give everything in a set.. and thats what i call "live"
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 17, 2005 00:44
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so far thats what i was able to do
pre mixed cd of original trax (with some lines muted)
midi sequencer (not must - depend what line and how good u play)
synths - to complete the missing sounds
some lines i can play if its simple but the fast crazy ones i rather from sequencer (laptop/midi seq.)
adventage of lappy is also in the vst effects u can play on real time (i made 16 fx tracks for the synth i can play 10-14 sounds in the whole show just change the effect) / or fx box
also one more option is laptop with sequencer playing the tracks and "mute" automation and make cutoff realtime
anyhow.. mastered wav will sound better so make mix 24bit after all its music made by computer.. how live can it get.. (or ask colin )
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Methodic Marble
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Posted : Oct 17, 2005 18:01
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weel Jhoana If you do what you "say" you do that´s a realy good way to put up a Live performance....
AND D cpU??no CRASH?...
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Psicho
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 18:09
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I would like to have more informations about how do you all make live acts with Ableton.
I used ableton to make some liveacts but I didn't read anywhere how to do it so here how I have made it:
I make all my songs in reason so I can't play one reason song after the other so I have separated all my songs wav loops and then in folders.
In ableton I have recreated (in the vertical vision) the songs in a bit different arrangement and with transitions between one song and another (very cool).
In the act I used to play the liveset with the bcr2000 and controlled the start/stop of every track, the volumes, sends, fx on tracks. In this way I can create a real LIVE set playing sounds of the first track with fx of the last one and the beat of another one too.
Some of the loops have been saved as midi loops to recreate them live with vsts!
The fact is that the sound get a bit crappy and loop-made but doesn't seems that people matters. You can find a liveset I've made this way (sorry for the tracks, ehhe, early stages )
http://www.ctgmusic.com/song.php?id=9237
What you think about this way?
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Jeto
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 19:26
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The way Im constructing my live set is exporting the songs as .wav files without some main key elements/melodies.
Then I load all the .wav files in Ableton Live.
Now I can construct my live by sequencing the bounced tracks and I can add elements and play those omitted melodies LIVE.
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Psicho
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 21:28
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That seems interesting an interesting way since you can even create some transitions between tracks.
And anyway does ableton support al the wav files in one big file? and how do you manage tempo sync between the bounced tracks and the melody?
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Jeto
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 21:39
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I havnt figured that out yet.
This is just my theory when I will play LIVE.
Im still in the process of working on material to get to that stage.
I have it installed but havnt worked with it yet.
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fregle
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 21:44
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if you control the device that makes the melody by using a midi-controller that controls it through ableton (so not directly connected to the machine, but connected to pc and machine connected to pc too), then you can quantise the midi-input. If you are out of time, ableton will delay your message untill it's in time (the next 16th or 8th or 32nd, depending on your quantise settings). But that bothers me, because if you are a fraction too late, it will delay it to the next 16th, and that would be a 16th on which you don't want it...
In other genres i would say, don't care, because playing without quantise will add 'feel', it makes the music more human. But with psytrance that's not really an option... Since most melodies in psytrance are arpegio's of some sort (every 16th a note), albeit complex arpeggio's, you can sync the arpeggio. Otherwise play pads, samples and effects for which you don't have to be in time so strictly. Also, sync everything you can sync. |
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Psicho
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 21:54
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yep! That's a very bad thing, I have experienced that playing live in the way I have written before.
In that way I use to start/stop the loops in realtime in the song and if I press too late the button the song parts will sync out!
Anyway you can remove the midi sync if you want but for beats,pads and effects is a very usefoul thing!
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