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Live? Let's be realists! Where is the real problem?
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Feb 14, 2006 11:42
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Well, at least you tried 
But it doesn't sound too tempting to me. The only reason i would go through all this trouble would be that some uptight people in the audience who have a great certainty about what's live and what's not would think "this was really live, but...(insert a wannabe-critical comment here)". I don't like these people very much, so i would never go trough all this for them 
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micromusic
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Posted : Feb 14, 2006 11:54
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I couldn't imagine bringing a full studio out to a show. Much respect Colin.
But do you NEED that much gear? The bigest piece required should be a 24 track mixer, and that would be the one piece I would trust to be supplied by the promoter and should be easy enough to find. Add a laptop running Live, a V/A synth or two, hardware sequencer, a small rack with a sampler, some fx, a couple RNC's, maybe a finalizer express, and you'd have a pretty tight setup with lots of control, and hopefully two people to run it. That should only cost you an extra $150 to fly with as well (around the states anyway, not sure about overseas).
I don't think people around here give the psy audience enough credit. They are very forgiving of live acts, esp. if they see that it's really live. We all talk production production tricks & more tricks in this forum, and you hear it in every song, but don't forget the most improtant thing in psytrance, and that's the vibe that's created. If you have that, your golden, people will dance, and they will remember. I was in Brazil a couple years ago and happened to see MPA play with (I think) a couple roland 505's and a guitar player (a bit of other gear too) and I danced through most all of their set, even better I was inspired and saw a way that I could play live myself. Unless your sound quality is pretty bad, people will adjust to it even if it isn't the most polished.
There's a hundred ways of playing live without just playing back tracks. Psytrance is probably the toughest genre to pull off live, but that shouldn't dicourage people from doing it. Live electronic music is an awesome thing, and I'd really like to see more of it. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 14, 2006 16:06
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Back then it was the only way it was really possible; the alternative was DAT DJing the set and miming. CDJs didn't really become common until the late 90s.
Here's a list of the kit we used (MIDI only, no audio):
40MHz 386 PC running Cubase Score, 2 in/2 out MIDI interface
Ensoniq EPS16+ sampler (1MB memory, stereo outputs only)
Roland TB303 (modified)
Yamaha CS15 (modified)
Roland SH101 (modified)
Silver Machine (home-built analog synth)
EMS Synthi
Kawai K1
Korg DW6000
Studiomaster 16 channel analog mixer
Mutronics Mutator (prototype and production versions)
DOD digital delay guitar pedal
Having audio and VST instruments integrated into your sequencer really makes a fundamental difference to what is possible live!
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fregle
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Posted : Feb 14, 2006 19:35
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you can also produce at home TO play live, and while producing always keep the live aspect in mind (phi does it like this). If you do that, you have songs that are easy to play live, the croud will be happy because they saw what they think is a live (It's not because someone uses backing tracks/computers that he/she's faking it), and you don't have to go through the immense trouble and learning curve associated with playing studio tracks live... But (and everybody who knows dedicated live psytrance acts knows this) it sounds less complex and less varied. Not that this is a bad thing because it forces you to make the most of the elements you have. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 14, 2006 20:36
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fregle
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Posted : Feb 14, 2006 21:35
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It is a kind of compromise, but you make it right from the start. Instead of doing everything in the easiest way, you try to find a way of doing it so you can control it more easily, and so you can use it more easily live, and you do it right from the start of the production process, like that, when the time comes to play live, it's easy to do a lot live.
Example, instead of just loading my samples in fruity and editing them there (which is easy and fast if you're in the studio) i'd load them into my S3000XL and route the audio thru software fx if necessary... Just because it's easier to control the S3000XL live if i made a good program (i can only speak for myself). I'd still make the same drumtracks, with the same automation and fx if i want, but it would take a lot more time in the studio... On the other hand, when i go to play live, i just load the program from HD into the ram of my S3000XL and i have everything set up to play the drums on the fly...
Another example: use ableton right from the start, and only use cubase to do the final mixdown/mastering, like that you don't have to adapt your song to ableton, it's already in there, and it's made in there so it's gonna be easier to control (you don't have the problem that you can't change the fx or automation on your audio rendering). But it takes more time to get the same results...
I hope that's clear enough, because, honestly, i didn't try this way of working yet (i wanna be able to do it properly the classic way before i start experimenting with ways to make it easier live). Otherwise, talk to the people of lani or phi or juno reactor, those people follow that way of working, to enhance they're live performance, and people still buy they're cd's so it doesn't mean that they sound bad because of it. |
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Feb 14, 2006 22:50
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this is cool
but its much harder to do this in psytrance
TRY IT!
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