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willsanquil
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 22:53
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On 2010-12-03 21:25, Freeflow wrote:
I think this live hysteria is more for the artists and people that care too much about what the artists do when they play, its not so much about the music.... Cause to be honest nothing beats studio work with hours of well crafted sounds and automation lines smoothly tweaked and everything that has to do with precision!
Maybe for music that communicate and not express live interactions with sounds become more important, for example minimal progressive stuff. Just a thought.
For heavy trance inducing "close your eyes" type of journey stuff it really dont matter, i rather see the artist smoke a big chillum and mix so smooth as possible and blast me with the best sounds he got...
All in all if you feel you want to do live electronic music there is all the tools you need really all you have to do is get them and practice and come up with new and fresh ideas and innovations and please try and smile why you do it 
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Not to disparage hours of studio work, but imo the truly live performance is much more about the music or at least can be equally as much 'about the music' as a DJ set.
There's just so much effin potential for live stuff that people aren't using, or at least I haven't seen it used as much as I would like
I mean...how hard is it to make an 8 knob macro tied to various different essential synth elements to twist the shit out of a synth pattern that you trigger live via ableton?
Do that for a bunch of synths, some send/return tracks and FX...
and you can probably still have your mastered studio track playing and just do your new patterns/leads/FX bits on top. Best of both worlds!
Sure, you might mess up and it might not be perfect, but you have so much more potential for truly unique performances in my opinion.
Sure, I love seeing artists smoke chillums too, but what I really want to see is someone really working whatever gear they have and really putting themselves into it full force. I rarely see it. Doesn't get me upset like it used to, but I'm right there and all excited when I see someone pull out a sick midi controller or GASP an instrument
Personally I'm trying out writing entire tracks in session view with the aid of the APC40 and while I'm still very basic right now I can see so much potential. less layered and precise? Yes. More fun and intuitive? Hell yeah.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 23:09
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On 2010-12-03 06:34, Freeflow wrote:
all is illusions 
but do tell me what you realized!?
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put 2 sine waves, 1 in leaft, 1 in right.... put it with just 2 or 3 hz freq difference...
the sound will start spinning xDD
but if u put each channel separatly, the sounds dont move..
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wow thats interesting.. can u tell more?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 23:30
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On 2010-12-03 21:25, Freeflow wrote:
I think this live hysteria is more for the artists and people that care too much about what the artists do when they play, its not so much about the music.... Cause to be honest nothing beats studio work with hours of well crafted sounds and automation lines smoothly tweaked and everything that has to do with precision!
Maybe for music that communicate and not express live interactions with sounds become more important, for example minimal progressive stuff. Just a thought.
For heavy trance inducing "close your eyes" type of journey stuff it really dont matter, i rather see the artist smoke a big chillum and mix so smooth as possible and blast me with the best sounds he got...
All in all if you feel you want to do live electronic music there is all the tools you need really all you have to do is get them and practice and come up with new and fresh ideas and innovations and please try and smile why you do it
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Not to disparage hours of studio work, but imo the truly live performance is much more about the music or at least can be equally as much 'about the music' as a DJ set.
There's just so much effin potential for live stuff that people aren't using, or at least I haven't seen it used as much as I would like
I mean...how hard is it to make an 8 knob macro tied to various different essential synth elements to twist the shit out of a synth pattern that you trigger live via ableton?
Do that for a bunch of synths, some send/return tracks and FX...
and you can probably still have your mastered studio track playing and just do your new patterns/leads/FX bits on top. Best of both worlds!
Sure, you might mess up and it might not be perfect, but you have so much more potential for truly unique performances in my opinion.
Sure, I love seeing artists smoke chillums too, but what I really want to see is someone really working whatever gear they have and really putting themselves into it full force. I rarely see it. Doesn't get me upset like it used to, but I'm right there and all excited when I see someone pull out a sick midi controller or GASP an instrument
Personally I'm trying out writing entire tracks in session view with the aid of the APC40 and while I'm still very basic right now I can see so much potential. less layered and precise? Yes. More fun and intuitive? Hell yeah.
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I do agree with you! And i am just recently trying to learn Ableton live and how to work more "livebased"
Workflow is very important and that one is comfortable with the instruments. The problem is that i know a little of everything instead of knowing something really good. But i guess i have to just hang in there and find my way of working. Sooner or later it will come to me 
Im planning to export all tracks in cubase as loops and trigger them in ableton. I really like the way midi mapping works but i haven't yet understood keymapping and what its good for
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 23:33
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On 2010-12-03 22:08, Plasmorh wrote:
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On 2010-12-03 06:34, Freeflow wrote:
all is illusions
but do tell me what you realized!?
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put 2 sine waves, 1 in leaft, 1 in right.... put it with just 2 or 3 hz freq difference...
the sound will start spinning xDD
but if u put each channel separatly, the sounds dont move..
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Cool i will try it... Psychoacoustics is very interesting
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willsanquil
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 23:36
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Freeflow do yourself a favor and get an APC40 - you will have so much fuckin fun  Totally revamps your workflow!
and nothing is quite as blissful as having a controller automatically map itself to your synth/macro parameters without having to go into midi mapping....so freeing!
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Vermeee
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 23:43
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On 2010-12-03 23:36, willsanquil wrote:
Freeflow do yourself a favor and get an APC40 - you will have so much fuckin fun Totally revamps your workflow!
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thats so true, totaly left CUBASE 5 coz of that lol..
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 00:19
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I believe you guys! Im working now for 3 days with Live and man im having so much fun, i have a korg nano kontrol and a nordlead 3 keyboard... Doing some psy in 114bpm hehe
i do get confused sometimes as why stuff gets recorded to the sequencer when i want them to be recorded to a scene clip.... and how i can be on measure 300 sometimes and midi gets recorded there. also the start and ending of clips which is very wicked how it works, im not at all used to this environment, but i love it and will continue to work here... Still cubase give me best workflow just cause im used to it. i guess soon i will be used to this =)
Those Akai APC40 looks so sweet i might have to sell my digital porta to get one....
Thanks for the advice
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willsanquil
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 00:40
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LOL, no, that would completly ruin the trance.
Psytrance parties are not concerts.
Yes, one can and should do as much stuff live as possible and people like to watch complex stuff being done at a certain performance... but i highly doubt it would really add a wow factor to it and make the music better.
But hey, as i said before... when im ready to perform live i will think on what to do with my set, for the moment im not offended, frustrated or insulted by fakeacts... in fact i enjoy cleverly performed hand movements xD |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 00:45
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you...are joking right
Fuck fake live acts. Posturing nonsense. It's one thing to have a *LIVE* next to your name on the flyer and just press play on a laptop or DJ your own stuff with CDs. I have no problem with that per-se except it is kind of misleading...though anyone who has been going to psy parties for the last decade is surely used to this by now.
However...intentionally attempting to look cool while actually doing nothing is ego and narcissism, pure and simple. No respect. I don't care how many hits you've released or how good your production is, if you fake your live act you are a tosser.
I might still dance to it and have a good time as I'm there to party and dance....but the experience will surely have lost a lot of potential magic If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 01:17
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LOL, no, that would completly ruin the trance.
Psytrance parties are not concerts.
Yes, one can and should do as much stuff live as possible and people like to watch complex stuff being done at a certain performance... but i highly doubt it would really add a wow factor to it and make the music better.
But hey, as i said before... when im ready to perform live i will think on what to do with my set, for the moment im not offended, frustrated or insulted by fakeacts... in fact i enjoy cleverly performed hand movements xD
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Haha take a break by mixing over to CD or whatever while you load and make settings for the next track you will preform live. But of course this should already be done.
I think Tom Cosm´s way of setting up a live is nice. but it seems everything needs to be played in the same temp during the whole set.
I want to be able to change tempo as the time goes...
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willsanquil
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 03:10
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It's very easy to change tempo in your set in ableton...time signature too
If you put in 145 BPM in the scene title, when you activate that scene the tempo will switch to 145. Also all your clips (unless for some reason..they are not warped?) will adjust up or down with the tempo...ableton is fantastic at tempo switches
One thing to watch out for with this is your warping algorithm however - if a clip is played too much outside of its original tempo some algorithms will really suck - in my experience Beats mode (which is the default when you get ableton) sucks bad if outside of the original tempo - all stuttery and shit. try complex if you want it to be smooth and non-shitty but still play a clip way outside its original tempo!
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 04:10
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On 2010-12-03 23:09, Vermeee wrote:
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On 2010-12-03 22:08, Plasmorh wrote:
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On 2010-12-03 06:34, Freeflow wrote:
all is illusions
but do tell me what you realized!?
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put 2 sine waves, 1 in leaft, 1 in right.... put it with just 2 or 3 hz freq difference...
the sound will start spinning xDD
but if u put each channel separatly, the sounds dont move..
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wow thats interesting.. can u tell more?
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thats basicly it... the rest he said was explaining the types of waves and how volume and freqs works....
I want a spare brain.... or 2. |
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dreadieg
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 06:32
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wil: what's you're idea of a true liveset??
couple years back i caught rastaliens live at Gaian mind, and they bounced between live track to dj track, and it completely blew me away. they were up there having fun and smoking and dancing, and they made it rain and lighting and such.
great night.
i'm all about honest, live preformance, but with detail oriented edm, you know as well as i do that it's tough as shit!
there are some very very respectable semi-acoustic live trance acts out there, and they're totally live. but for the brain bending shit that many of us like/prefer, it's hard to make patches for synths on the fly.
if i'm not mistaken, annunaki do alot of their work pretty quick as they play, but they still have alot of premade goodies to build the skeleton of the set.
i honestly can't imagine going into a club/festy and make a 100% live set from the ground up.
not that i wouldn't try, if the dancefloor was down for 2 hours of shit and alot of repetition, it'd be fun as hell!
bah, why do we all have to like such weird complex noise? lets just all make acid house forever! 303 and 808, the end. |
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 07:49
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i think the guy who posted this never thought about that in electronic music u go to the dancefloor only to have a nice "trip" or whatever, i mean do u go to a party only to see if the guy in front of all are doing a live act or no? comeon brooo everyone knows bout the "live act" in psy music ... i have seen many artists doing a "live act" and this is only to hear the music that they made u know? soo the next time u go to a party do not go with toughts like that goo and enjoiiiii !!! |
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