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Zoolog
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Posted : Mar 23, 2009 21:04
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On 2009-03-20 21:38, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-03-20 17:17, Zoolog wrote:
I still dont see any defining guidelines in this link, all it says is "A concert is a live performance, usually of music, before an audience."
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With respect Zoolog, you seem to be ignoring the word 'live' in that definition. That's 'live', as opposed to 'recorded'.
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Without disrespect Colin, you seem to be ignoring the "usually music". Again a performance can be many things, but per definition it cannot be "dead". Psy-trance is "recorded"/"sampled" music in most cases - the word "trance" is often connected with some sort of dance. 
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Mar 23, 2009 22:59
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 24, 2009 00:24
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 24, 2009 18:55
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On 2009-03-24 00:24, Colin OOOD wrote:
We have a double-header album coming out on Noise Poison Records in the summer.
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seriously now?
i wouldn't have thought... but nothing is impossible...
what do you guys think... i can spin fire-staff and play music at the same time if i can get some wireless headphones.
naturally this would lead to a midi-fire-staff and the need to control something with it... probably filter cutoff... that would make wobbly dubstep=ish filter mods especially if i spin it behind me.
if wonder if a temperature control for the kevlar tips would be useful for CV?
light it on fire! maybe burn the pc when playing... (if its just some pc laptop why not set it on fire. if its a mac i dont htink applecare covers that) |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 25, 2009 03:42
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mk47
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Posted : Mar 25, 2009 14:22
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..be controlling the 303 cutoff with a handle on some huge wheel or something.
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i dunno if ur taking the piss .. but wow .. brilliant ! .. no ,seriously .. batten down the hatches , load ye ol 303 . arrr 
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Zoolog
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Posted : Mar 25, 2009 15:54
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On 2009-03-25 03:42, Colin OOOD wrote:
I've often thought about getting a bunch of old-style railway points levers and industrial controls of various kinds and hooking them all up to potentiometers and CV inputs or converters. It would be awesome to be controlling the 303 cutoff with a handle on some huge wheel or something.
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Me too, tho not with the 303.... I recommend also checking into trashed hospital equipment - if you truely are into that kind of modding  . Alot of nice meters and quality knobs are to be found on such devices. I still find ocelots "invention" more creative tho and more live ..
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 25, 2009 18:40
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RK9
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Posted : Mar 26, 2009 00:06
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Think of it this way:
When a gallery exhibits an artist's paintings, they'll often fly the artist out to present them.
They're not really doing anything while they're there, but it's still nice to have them there. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 26, 2009 00:23
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That's missing the point. Painting isn't exactly a performance-based artform, music is, and when an artist stands on stage and people hear his music, the expectation - the whole deal - is that the artist is contributing and interacting in some way to the music whilst he's up there. That's why some people pretend, why some artists ask for a mixer and keyboards on stage that they'll never actually use - if there was no expectations there'd be no need for pretense or hiding behind unplugged technology. That's why world-class artists in other genres tend not to fake their live performances - because they want to give their fans what they deserve, and because they know that if it ever came to light that a set was faked or lip-synced they'd be ridiculed. Think Milli Vanilli suicide. Think Justice photo uproar. Think GMS getting pissy on Deadact.
Live/not live is a big deal for music, and when it comes down to it there's no honest justification of the pretense.
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kahn
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Posted : Mar 26, 2009 02:37
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I definitely prefer a good DJ set over a Live Set. Even the best producer on the planet (as long as they also know how to mix) can play a BETTER DJ set than live set. If you listen to the SAME ARTIST'S tracks for an extended period of time, it can often get boring since their range of sound is only so vast (this of course is not indicative of the artist being good or bad, it's just a fact). Even if I was seeing my favorite artist play, I would still rather see them play a DJ set. In this way, they can drop all of their best tracks, intermixed with some of their favorite tracks from other artists. You get to not only discover the musician's production taste, but their listening tastes as well. It makes the set more diverse, and the far less predictable. The best compromise if I am paying to see an artist "live" would be to have them drop 50-80% of their own tracks with others mixed in. Preferably, a major headliner will have access to enough artists and labels that in addition to playing artist "favorites" they can also drop a good number of never before heard UNRELEASED tracks from themselves AND other artists. If an artist is dropping completely fresh tracks that I've never heard, and the mixing is good; that's the perfect combination for me.
Especially in the genre of melodic full-on, where I stay constantly up to date on released AND unreleased tracks for my own sets, if an artist can surprise me and drop a ton of tracks I've never heard, I commend them (aka Deedrah).
I also don't really like the "mixing" in most live sets. I don't like how you don't get a true track blend. Most of the major "TOP 10 DJ's" mix like this whether or not they're using software; they like to mix out in the last 30-50 seconds of a track. Me personally, I like to have at least 1 minute (if not more) overlap so that before the energy of one track drops, you have the other one in full effect. When I saw Deedrah live for instance, all the tracks would drop back down to the kick and bassline with drums at the end, and there would be about a minute of this between every track. I like when you can't feel the gap between tracks, but when the melody of the new track pokes out to surprise you; that is the best!
I'd rather see artists mixing their tracks on CDJ's and then doing other stuff live on other channels if they insist. That, or make it a COMPLETELY LIVE act where they are actually "producing" the music right there in front of you. This new generation of "Ableton Live Sets" is not anything revolutionary NOR is it great for the dancefloor.
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Posted : Mar 26, 2009 03:10
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I dont give a damn about unrealeased tracks, that in my opinion is the biggest scam ever to hit the edm scene.
Long time ago there were promos and since they were on vynil or cd they were just to proof the tracks on dancefloors.
But now the kids just want unrealeased tracks, I mean really.. do you think people can remember too many tracks form one party over another??
People will remember good music no mmater how old is it, i can drop a track from 2001 at the irght moment and everybody will be happy.
Even further I can bet any day a set of oldschool "overplayed" anthems can drive any crowd more nuts than the best of unrealesed tracks.
DJs make to much fuss of unrealesed tracks, while the best tracks are being released under they nose.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 26, 2009 08:25
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Zoolog
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Posted : Mar 26, 2009 14:45
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@Colin
"Live/not live is a big deal for music, and when it comes down to it there's no honest justification of the pretense."
Peace, be with that, dont start a war with people of different ideas. Interpretation may vary. For me what matters the most, is the music, and in the case of a "live-set" that it is the dude(s(s)) who made it who is given the, then lets call it "presentation" (so you dont get "big deal" on me) of their music. I think most artist do a good job at adding and modifying their "presentation".
I met alot of people who denies that psytrance etc. is music at all, for some of them it's even a big deal, and i must admit that there is a long way from a guitar and a mic, to what you try to put in the category "live-music".
Good luck with that!
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Kane
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Posted : Mar 26, 2009 16:19
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Unreleased tracks are unreleased for a reason.
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