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psytik
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 21:33:54
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live act or dj set ?
for the public what is better i lisen djs sets but never a live act |
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 04:01
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1st place for me is live of act i like long time , that doing something special with his music more then mix realesed tracks. btw i dont like too long live 1.5 hour is great for artist that is playing 1 style. can be longer for more diverse artists like electrypnose ocelot or myself.
2nd i like good dj set , huge variety of artists , and dj can play the best from each one! thats awsome when done right , with the right music choise and good mixing skills
3rd i like ok dj set , with good music selection and not best mixes , its allready not in the top but it can still be great fun if he doesnt screw around too much. bad music choise and great mixes arent welcome here..
and last is the fake live act , with only realesed 100% ready music and someone fake to touch the knobs like its some kind of comedy show.. that makes me feel like disparaged. if i wanted comedy i would go to standup club.
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Dogon
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 10:30
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DJ sets please.....
there are hardly any real live acts!
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Pyskow
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 11:52
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IMO:
DJ set.
The DJ can play for 4 houers, with out the music getting borring.
Live Act.
are usually boring in length. However, aside.
For me they just dont give me that Trance feeling when i'm on the dancefloor.
Pace, Love and Progressive
Keep it Psychedelic
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Zoolog
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 12:20
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and last is the fake live act , with only realesed 100% ready music and someone fake to touch the knobs like its some kind of comedy show.. that makes me feel like disparaged. if i wanted comedy i would go to standup club.
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well i said it before i will say it again, where is the comedy in a person who spends his time making music for people? - and afterwards presenting it in WHATEVER fasion that may suit him!? In the end its what comes out of the speaker and into your body, that will define quality - i know some people will disagree - and this is not even a discussion (to me).... if i want music, i go to a club.... If i want some technological show-down, i go to CeBIT. I do agree that fake synth playing is lame, but hey we werent the scene who introduced this - its pop-music legacy.
Certain people/acts on this scene are glorifying themselves for being live; Drop the computer and let's talk again, shall we. (Ohh but im semi-laptop-wannabe live - screw that!). Make some decent music that is all that matters to me - play it from a minidisc - and i will feel nostalgia (+bad compression). - I doubt Ocelot feels more real after learning ableton. No hard feelings!
Back on topic.... I prefer DJ's partially because they can (usually) play longer functional sets than Live's. Live can easily become boring to listen to; if the style is just repeating itself thruout the set (you could say the same about some dj's but its less often the case).
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volt
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 13:17
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and last is the fake live act , with only realesed 100% ready music and someone fake to touch the knobs like its some kind of comedy show.. that makes me feel like disparaged. if i wanted comedy i would go to standup club.
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well i said it before i will say it again, where is the comedy in a person who spends his time making music for people? - and afterwards presenting it in WHATEVER fasion that may suit him!? In the end its what comes out of the speaker and into your body, that will define quality - i know some people will disagree - and this is not even a discussion (to me).... if i want music, i go to a club.... If i want some technological show-down, i go to CeBIT. I do agree that fake synth playing is lame, but hey we werent the scene who introduced this - its pop-music legacy.
Certain people/acts on this scene are glorifying themselves for being live; Drop the computer and let's talk again, shall we. (Ohh but im semi-laptop-wannabe live - screw that!). Make some decent music that is all that matters to me - play it from a minidisc - and i will feel nostalgia (+bad compression). - I doubt Ocelot feels more real after learning ableton. No hard feelings!
Back on topic.... I prefer DJ's partially because they can (usually) play longer functional sets than Live's. Live can easily become boring to listen to; if the style is just repeating itself thruout the set (you could say the same about some dj's but its less often the case).
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Agree 100% |
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 13:29
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well its about the music really.
if a live act has lame music, features all the breaks in full glory, doesn't mix the tracks and just generally wanks off with the energy of the party, well then yeah- thats why it doesnt feel trancey mr.
so dj sets are safer generally, as they feature less sunglasses and more beats.
but i explain it like this- its not either or. its both.
dj's build the local scene. they play tracks from artists. eventually they will bring one of the artists (whose tracks they play) to the party as a guest liveact. its a symbiotic relationship. the party gets a trip from the mind/laboratory of a guest mad-scientist, and they get to play the music they wrote in front of people.
lately all this live talk is surfacing again. some lame-o even too the domain deadact.com .... i tend to think that people who created that don't even understand themselves what would be a "real" live act.
ive seen liveacts done as
1)jamming - (real or fake) over a pre-arranged set of tunes
2)making a set of tunes from bits of tunes- like a minimal style live act- someone posted a video of doing this with psy but they only made 2/3 minutes of it... id be curious about how much of a "scene" you can build in 8 bars before its time to drop it in... yes this works well for minimal styles
3) some combination of the first 2
4)people who dont give a fuck and just play instruments together like a band and it probably doesnt sound like psy but hey i could be wrong- but playing over backing tracks doesnt count. thats #1
one time in a club in Augsburg some kind came up to me and asked if i could make it a bit more "live"
you see, i was busy with my face in the computer cue-ing up loops and such and he wanted a little more action a la skazi.
i asked him if he had an extra electric guitar and he said no, and after about 5 minutes he finally left me alone. fucker.
be careful what you ask for. you may get a load of people who can do great tricky live performances but can't produce good tunes and make shitty music. (or worse, boring music)
another thing, whats up with all this "looking at the dj" bullshit? i thought electronic music was over the rock-star story and was about the collective, the people, the dancers, the masses...
fucking heirarchies sprouting from the fears of humans that they could be alone and godless... get a life and stand up with some fucking backbone and stop staring at that little boy in the baseball cap with the headphones on... |
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 13:39
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ah the other thing was someone once told me i was "ruining" my music by playing around with it in a live act and that i should let the music play more and stop fucking around with it.
so if this sports-boy pressure to "be live man" gets too much, then the music may get "ruined"
be careful what you ask for...
you may get it. |
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Zoolog
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 13:55
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day_tripper
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 14:33
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all this while a friend of mine thought that a live act was nothing but some dj playing music and doing his weird psycho acts (kinda like a show) on stage to entertain the audience! 
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 19:53
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i still enjoyed texas faggott 9 hours live as no.1 set i ever heard. their own tunes only and adding little bits on top of that. as long the music in 100% the best and no idiot stand up there faking rediculus moves i like it.. i might like the music of the idiot too but it makes me feel weird and un-connected to the dude if he thinks we are there for his dance show and cool faces
look at tom cosm , i played with his live setup and u know what if you dont get how cool that work he does is then im not here to teach you. trust me he is doing x10 then most artists and djs of hole festival together. you know what for me its coolest thing a person can do with his music. mixing at home and play ready cd compare to his full ableton live session is like playing rubber band or guitar with strings.
offcourse dj set is commonly better , but for me , a great live of artists i look up to long time is nothing less then holy moments. its much more then music at party for me.
ps i think there is reason why live cost more no? and more wanted as main act too!
cause it takes more equipment and time u put into it. and crowd comes for the name to hear his tunes , not like they listen to the cd at home but in a new cool way.
if evryone likes djs more then why those fake-lives ever apeared ?
how would you feel if you know your favorite dj also mix his set at home and then just press play , that what i compare to the fake lives.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 20:19
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I'm still waiting for a known artist to proudly describe in an interview how he fakes playing the keyboard and tweaking knobs during his set, and how he asks for a 24-channel mixer despite only needing stereo. As I've said before, if no-one cares what you do on stage as long as the music's good, why do people pretend to do stuff they're not actually doing? Why don't they just dance without touching anything?
(I know some people actually do this - at least they're honest  )
On Ocelot's scale, our live sets are option 1.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 21:00
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I prefer dj sets. I am bound to get a larger variety of tunes I like, they last longer and because of that the dj can actually make more of a build up, instead of a live act hammering in 1h30min of their best tunes, which although I may really like, they will sound kinda samey.
And its not like you will hear the stuff that people make in their studios only if they play live. Producers who dj always test out their latest tunes in dj sets.
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 23:36
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i dont do dj sets... but anyway
its pretty clear, to me anyway- the heirarchy of it all
dj's are people who mix other peoples music together to make a kind of temporary art for the party and dancefloor.
those other people whose music they mix are the live acts- whether or not they are interesting, whether their music sounds self-similar or not, whatever they do or don't do live...
thats the simplest explanation for noobs.
if so many dj's didnt play gms tracks in their set, gms wouldn't be well known would they?
(well ive been told my music is unmixable in sets, well before more... but anyway its my duty to go around and play all the zillions of things that never see the light of day on albums, compilations, or even as finished tracks... all these ideas go into a live set and if i play somewhere its pretty much all new to most people even collector types...)
but anyway its important to have dj's- they build the scene in each place and often are part of the production crew making the event-
its important to bring artists for an in-depth set (with the vibes from the other side of the world possibly)
most important are the dancers and people who care about the music and community and scene etc...
without that there is nothing.
culture is pretty important also.
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full_on
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Posted : Mar 19, 2009 01:07
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Good DJ sets in my opinion are more diversified and unpredictable, and when the music choice is well done and the mixes are acceptable it is difficult for a Live to compete with that.
On the other hand, listen to mind blowing Live of your favorite act can be very rewarding, specially if they took care to make it sound special. In most cases I don't care that much about fake if the music is sounding awesome. 
I say I go with the DJ sets.
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