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HandA
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 16:02
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On 2005-07-03 15:55, Cyber Punk wrote:
I've got your point, BUT !
The main problem for me is that:
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Many people see existance of Israel as a "knife in their heart". So, we all should go and kill ourselves ?
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What does that got to do with Iron Madness track title? Unless it is Political which you all say it isent. Do you see any non israeli trance artist coming up with track names that are offensive to Israel or your religion?
You have all the right to think what you want politically and I agree that many especially in the Muslim world would like to see Israel gone. And I dont think thye are right! But that's not the issue here. The issue here is a anti-Jihad/Islam track title used by an Israeli artist. But I would also react if it the track titles was used by a Danish artist.
And if you all claim there's nothing Political involved here and in the track title then why do you keep bringing up such political issues? |
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 16:09
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the problem with you handA is that when i said remarkes like the hag thing you think i feel europe is
Antisimitic well i dont i just jokking the problem you take things too hard
Zionist of Israel" for a track name well i really dont care i will take it as a joke
you wont belive how here in israel we all joking about the houlocust and other thing its called black humor
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i really dont think you are antisimitic |
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 16:15
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On 2005-07-03 16:09, psy^soldier wrote:
the problem with you handA is that when i said remarkes like the hag thing you think i feel europe is
Antisimitic well i dont i just jokking the problem you take things too hard
Zionist of Israel" for a track name well i really dont care i will take it as a joke
you wont belive how here in israel we all joking about the houlocust and other thing its called black humor
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i really dont think you are antisimitic
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Well I am glad that you dont think i am antisemetist but you got to understand when you as I have recieved countless private messages being called a Nazi (one long today) and a antisemetist then it's sometimes hard to know who's joking and not.
It's good if you can joke about things even though Holocaust is not what i would joke about. But we are all different and have different humor.
But I am 100% sure that many would not find it funny if some Arab artist named a track "Zionist of Israel". On the contrary I am 100% sure that you would se a riot in this forum 
Transwave once released a track named "Malaka Dance" for fun and actually because they really liked Greece but I have never seen so many offended Greeks in my life. Just to make small example |
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 16:16
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Do you see any non israeli trance artist coming up with track names that are offensive to Israel or your religion?
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No, but I also think that Iron's track name is not offensive.
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You have all the right to think what you want politically and I agree that many especially in the Muslim world would like to see Israel gone. And I dont think thye are right! But that's not the issue here. The issue here is a anti-Jihad/Islam track title used by an Israeli artist.
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Once more, why Anti-Jihad/Islam ? Only your imagination.
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But I would also react if it the track titles was used by a Danish artist.
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It's something new, earlier you said "especially israeli", but OK, I get it.
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And if you all claim there's nothing Political involved here and in the track title then why do you keep bringing up such political issues?
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The main thing there was - "Where we should draw the line" ?
I mean, If many people beleives in something, does it make it TRUE ?
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 16:28
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On 2005-07-03 16:16, Cyber Punk wrote:
No, but I also think that Iron's track name is not offensive.
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As I wrote earlier I am now convinced that Iron Madness did not intent to be offensive. But that does not mean that his trackname wont be seen as offensive. There's a difference here
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On 2005-07-03 16:16, Cyber Punk wrote:
Once more, why Anti-Jihad/Islam ? Only your imagination.
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Yes it's my interpretation when i see the title without knowing the intention behind the track title. Many people wont have the priviledge of asking Iron Madness directly. So there's indeed a chance that some people will think it's anti Islam and that he use the word Jihad to point fingers at Muslims. And like it or not some will think it's out of place for a Israeli artist to use such a political (intentional or not) title in our scene.
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On 2005-07-03 16:16, Cyber Punk wrote:
It's something new, earlier you said "especially israeli", but OK, I get it.
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Yes your right and that was my mistake and therefore I changed it so you and especially a few other understood that I was not out to "get" Iron Madness because he is from Israel. But I still believe that especially people inconflicts should be careful when they use political titles. especially if they dont want to be seen as being political.
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On 2005-07-03 16:16, Cyber Punk wrote:
The main thing there was - "Where we should draw the line" ?
I meam, If many people beleives in something, does it make it TRUE ?
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I draw the line when someone use in my opinion a highly political statement (again intentional or not)without thinking about the offensive value it might have on some people. It cost nothing to think ahead
And the majority's opinion does not have to be the truth. Just look at this debate. It's clear that i am outnumbered here. Does that make my point wrong? |
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 16:39
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Oh, eventually, I've got it :
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Yes it's my interpretation when i see the title without knowing the intention behind the track title.
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Now is the question:
Why for the G-d's sake, the first thing you think is negative ???
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 16:53
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On 2005-07-03 16:39, Cyber Punk wrote:
Oh, eventually, I've got it :
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Yes it's my interpretation when i see the title without knowing the intention behind the track title.
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Now is the question:
Why for the G-d's sake, the first thing you think is negative ???
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A very good question even though I believe I have answered that question quite a few times here But for you i'll do one more attempt to explain it as I see it.
I see it as negative because I know that it will offend people that have Islam as a religion. Also as I said because I know that it will be seen extra offensive to Muslims coming from a citizen of a country that's in a long long conflict with the Muslim world. But as I said I would also object if it was used by any other artist in this scene. I just put myself in a peaceful muslims shoes. And if I was a peaceful Muslim or Arab I would be very offended.
As you know we have some Arabs and Muslims in our scene I think such a title is offensive and disrespectful to them. Just as I would find any other title that "point at a religion or religious term" offensive no matter who used it.
The keyword here is respect and understanding toward other religions and cultures. And to use "Jihad of Islam" is in my book not to respect or understand the Arabs and Muslims in our scene.
That's my view on the use of that title and I stand by it. |
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 17:06
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I just put myself in a peaceful muslims shoes. And if I was a peaceful Muslim or Arab I would be very offended.
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Sorry, but this is BS. How can you be so sure ?
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 17:09
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the point is that i dout any religous muslim will hear this track |
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blueOrb
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 17:13
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@all artists
religion can be a very personal thing ... so please refrain from using religious terms ...
for u it must be a track name but for others it could be somethin more personal .... wheres the R from the PLUR? ....
@iron madness
is ur ego too big to say "sorry for this one as i must have offended a few people unintentionally, next time i shall take more care before naming my tracks"
offtopic note -
but not so long ago there was a thread in the russian section which was a poll to find out whos the most killer indian god which was pure bullshit .... iam sure the author didnt have any -ve intentions but any indian reading that bullshit would flipp
the post got deleted after being on for almost 2 fuckin month
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 17:17
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i dont think he offended someone this track didnt relesed yet if i not mistaken
iron madness did someone came to you personely and told you that the track name offend him? |
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blueOrb
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 17:23
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@psy^soldier
i gonna say this once so get it straight ...
the name of the track could probably offend someone ,somewhere, somehow .... now why would someone want that to happen even unintentionally ?? ....
so all iam sayin is take a lil more care next time ... its no use to cry over spilt milk ....
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 18:25
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Congratulations Iron Madness for becoming Psy Trance's version of Madonna. Everytime that you won't have anything interesting to create or to say through the music you will go provocative with title names? How clever. What's next a book with nude pictures? And i thought that Psy Trance is about the music and about respecting people that think different.
Jihad of Islam. Pffft, how original.
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darkiller
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 18:36
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i care less about a tracks name and iron madness has got some nice tracks i got to hear
i say leave the kid alone not much of a track name to choose indeed but i think its not much of a scandal like Handa wants it to be, and like syber punk said- how can you be so sure that the meaning is negetive and offencive.
I agree that ppl should not expresse any religouse side in music these days , realy not to offened any body,
but you can choose not to be offended by a tracks name, you know the mature way
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