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Noized
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 23:23
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On 2005-06-21 19:06, Pavel wrote:
Names like Jihad of Islam are just a showcase of bad taste in picking a name. BTW, i never heard about a track by that name from Iron Madness? Is it some unr killargh that you downloaded from soulseek? Cause you know people rename tracks....
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If i am not wron he released it here in the new tracks section 
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Shaqattack
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 23:30
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i dont see anythin too wrong in things like that..i mean we have been hearing tracks with hindu prayers for a while now havent we...
names of hindu gods are used very very often in this culture...
so i guess there isnt too much of a problem now is there..??
well again there are 2 sides...this is the side i see it from..!
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 02:30
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you could probably do a study or something on this, do some research, write a nice paper, talk about things like "irony" or "post-modernism," and REALLY try to get an answer to this question.
and i'll admit, it's interesting, the notion of kinda-religious/spiritual elements intertwined within trance music.
but in the end, trance artists are not religious scholars.
mostly, chanting and stuff just sounds kinda cool. and if you're the kind of person who's very seriously religious, chances are you're not going to trance parties anyway.
side note: just "jihad of islam" is not bad taste. it's a topic in current events, and maybe the artist is trying to capture this in his track somehow.
don't read into this stuff TOO much folks
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 02:35
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 03:06
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On 2005-06-22 02:35, Colin OOOD wrote:
Although... imagine a Christian trance track.
It just doesn't work, does it.
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remind me to sample "ave maria" in a track sometime. get the dance floor pumping 
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 05:55
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 02:14
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Bloodclot Im with you! Check out the thread I started "Spirtual Property: Does Pystrance steal cultures?" ( http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/64847/forum/1 ). It was exactly this sort of thing I am getting at.
Just because you are not a member of a religion does not mean that it is OK to take its words and symbols and use them however you like! How can people possibly think this?
I heard a priceless story of some Israeli tourists refusing to remove their shoes when entering a Hindu temple in Goa because it wasnt part of their religion! What arrogance!
Dissociating religious beliefs from their natural context and using them as track names, samples etc. cheapens them, and is disrespectful the complexity and longevity of these religious traditions.
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Oran
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 02:23
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On 2005-06-24 02:14, Psycosmo wrote:
I heard a priceless story of some Israeli tourists refusing to remove their shoes when entering a Hindu temple in Goa because it wasnt part of their religion! What arrogance!
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i didn't knew i need 2 take of my shoes when going 2 the "temple" in anjuna... 
oh...and i never met an israeli that went to goa 2 see hindu temples... 
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phobium
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 02:31
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Well, they're just tracknames. No biggie. It would be a bit different if there were lyrics, right?
And if you want nice lyrics, check out a few black metal tracks about killing christians....
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 04:39
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I heard a priceless story of some Israeli tourists refusing to remove their shoes when entering a Hindu temple in Goa because it wasnt part of their religion! What arrogance!
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So there are more barbaric and arrogant nations than americans at the end.
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Must admit that story was good for my ego 
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 17:18
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On 2005-06-24 02:31, phobium wrote:
Well, they're just tracknames. No biggie. It would be a bit different if there were lyrics, right?
And if you want nice lyrics, check out a few black metal tracks about killing christians....
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They aren't just track names im talking about, if you read the first post on this topic, you'd know what im talking about. As far as black metal is concerned, they dont believe it PLUR. They sell their music on based on religion bashing which stinks. I don't see trance ever going that far and hopefully never will.
@psycosmo - Yeah, its something i've heard too. So much for being culturalised. You might want to check this out as well. http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050627&fname=Israel+%28F%29&sid=1
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full_lotus
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 17:41
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On 2005-06-22 03:06, Cosmos Mariner wrote:
remind me to sample "ave maria" in a track sometime. get the dance floor pumping
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I remember seeing Bollywood playback singer Asha Bhonsle singing a fusion version of Ave Maria on British TV in the 80's.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 18:57
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What I do not understand is why don't we make our own chants, instead of getting mantras from here, sacred chants from there... I think it denotes, more than disrespect, ignorance about other cultures. It is not about one's own beliefs, but understanding the other's beliefs.
For some the trance dance experience is something sacred, a rite of passage and a peak into enlightment. For others it is just another party with music to their likes. So the experience itself in different points in space and time means something different for many different ppl. It is not homogenous but it is very organic and personal to the ppl that form part of the ritual.
So some ppl will enter the experience from a spiritual stand point. They will perform rituals to free the space from bad vibrations and spirits and will dance for spiritual reasons. IMPO since this parties have a spiritual semantic theme then religious chants add to the experience. And since we form a global village with different cultural and religious backgrounds... then a polychromatic array of chants will be heard.
Now if the event is not religious and chants are played for no purpose, but aethetic... For me personally is not right for the simple reason that its meaning is lost in the ignorance of the ppl who listen to it. Also it might offend someone and create -ve energy. |
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