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Limiting on the master ?
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Conny
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Posted : Dec 13, 2010 14:49:21
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What are you people using on the master output of the song ?
I want to make my mix smooth without to much sounds sticking out.
I´ve heard people are using limiting and compression.
Can anyone give an explanation on settings for these instruments and recommend plugins for this ? Im using fruity loops.
/ Thanx for any help
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dj chichke
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Posted : Dec 13, 2010 15:08
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killik
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Posted : Dec 13, 2010 15:09
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if u r going to let the song be mastered -> keep master completely clean.
otherwise u can put a limiter on it. i , for example, use the waves l2 maximizer to make it just listenable. ceiling on -0,2 and threshold to taste. |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Dec 13, 2010 19:59
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You can put a limiter on the master temporarily just so you don't accidentally blow your speakers, but keep its threshold high above the level of the track so that you only hit it if you screw up |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 13, 2010 21:15
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if you have a big overshoot it wont go over zero db but it will still blow your ears, something i love in reaper is there is a setting that will mute the master if you wan t it .would have saved my ears many times when using cubase |
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 14, 2010 02:12
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mudpeople
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Posted : Dec 14, 2010 02:38
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I use no limiters or anythign on the master until the final master file is done and clean. I try not to lower the threshold below 0db, but just put a -.1 ceiling on it. I keep my unmastered tracks at least -6db, or even more depending on how many different elements there are.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 14, 2010 22:05
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 14, 2010 22:50
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On 2010-12-14 22:05, TimeTraveller wrote:
why not ? If you know what you do ,use a limiter if you like.If not better don't use it though.
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Because everything that peaks above the threshold gets cut off, meaning it is no longer there, better keep the spl down so you get it all in your mix.
If you know what you do you won't put a limiter on the master. if you don't, go ahead 
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 14, 2010 23:37
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NO if:
- you are a purist
- you will hire mastering engineer
- you don't like cheap software limiter squashing your mix
YES if:
- you want to experiment
- you want to check how will it sound (approximately) when mastered
- you want to sound loud and send test mp3 to friends who won't notice crappy dynamics
BTW there are many many threads like this in this forum, search a little you might find other opinions.
Also learn to use limiters in a way that doesn't clip your mix too much but just enhance the overall dB. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 14, 2010 23:38
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Nope.
Of course you can use a limiter or brickwall limiter to hear how it could sounds later after mastering.
A limiter is just a tool not a mistake in process.
Indeed it's a common technique to many - of course you can see your gain reduction meter IF it works or not,again if you really know what you do
In fact many producers do it like this.
I did not use it so far,but I guess because I've read to much pseude theories about it here.
It does not mean you can boost your dbs into oblivion because you are using a limiter - if it is this case you don't know how to use it properly.
-aciduss - I agree.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 15, 2010 01:14
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remmeber the golden rule ! a good mix dont need mastering , mastering engeeiners that get mix from good mixers have almost nothing to do (i guess it dont hapen much in psytrance), but i wouldnt suggest to use limiters cause it s easy to ruin your mix insteed of making it better .but if you think you can get good loudness ,cleaner , more punchy than a mastering engeinner then go for it , you have way more options in the mixing stage than on a stereo file...but in the end it s just matter a taste and way of working,it dont mean it will sound better imo but whatever work for you..
aslo about the dynamics with psytrance it s flat ! even wihtout any limiting it s flat, you can t have much dynamic with a kbbb playing almost all the track.in a way it s not flat cause of limiters at first but it s in the music there is not much dynamics.
with a thin kick/bass mixed very loud it will sound like shit limited or not ,flat. |
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 15, 2010 02:21
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I disagree on psytrance having little dynamics... of course it is not like it has a lot of variation on the beat, but a KBBB bass, rapid hihat sequence and complex modulation synths can produce a really dynamic track... the real challenge is maintaining that after limiting.
And i repeat, using a limiter is not for trying to sound better or as punchy as a pro ME, but come on not even pro artist master 100% of their tracks, sometimes you just want to bounce a loud track, limiters are just a tool. |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 15, 2010 02:26
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it s more the way the track is balanced and mixed that will make it sound like it have more dynamics ,limiting or not, some very loud track still sound 2 times as big/ more dynamic range in the sounds than some quiet one even if the loud one is more cliped /limited ,imo when the kick bass is mixed very in front in the mix it can sound 2d and flat, i have bought a album like that this summer and imo he ruined is sound cause of that, production is great , but kick bass is so in front .. just wanted to say limiters are not the only problem to tracks that sound flat , it s first how it s balanced that really matter except if you go for insane loudness.
i could be wrong but i think psytrance could need less limiting/cliping than some other kind of music to get equal loudness cause our kick/bass is loud ,even without any limiting we are very loud,already more loud than what some guys find too loud , so i guess in these music they use way more limiting/cliping to get to the insane level of today music, but they still sound better than lot of psytrance. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 15, 2010 02:35
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@ Time Traveller,
if you mix your track properly you won't need the limiter, it is the same when someone tells me ey, some 5k frequency is too lout in your e.g. lead, put a limiter on it. I would always choose to find the frequency that is too loud, and notch it out with an eq first, that way your overall mix will be a lot cleaner.
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