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UnderTow
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Posted : Sep 29, 2006 16:01
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texmex: You are right but the RME is still calculating things correctly. If you send it a signal 6 dB lower (because of a fader or whatever) it will calculate that and yes the results will be 6 dB lower. But that is entirely correct. If you export your track at that level, the track will also be 6 dB lower because of that fader. 
Adrenal Mode: As Texmex writes, it makes no difference wether it is internal or external. What counts is the maths and that can differ from tool to tool.
The biggest problem with alot of meters is that they assume a square wave at 0 dB FS to be the max peak level. However this makes no sense as you can not have a square wave at 0 dB FS throughout the whole audio bandwidth. There are no 20Khz square waves in a 44.1Khz system. To be even more precise, there are no such things as real square waves in analogue OR digital audio. These are just abstract concepts that don't exists in the real world of audio.
So the meters that calculate things properly use a sine wave peaking at 0 dB FS as the max level. That is 3 dB lower than that of a theoretical square wave and thus the meter (correctly) shows a number that is 3 dB higher.
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felon-collie
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Posted : Oct 4, 2006 05:32
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So the final peak level of a track should be -0.1db en the end ... so why not try to achieve this straight away in mix rather than to leave it to mastering ?
Ideally there are most dynamics in an uncompressed and most of all unlimited track or am i wrong ?
So why not mix the track to it's final sound straight away if you're not planning to use expensive studio gear ?
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felon-collie
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Posted : Oct 4, 2006 05:32
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can't a good sounding psytrance track be produced without final limiting ? |
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felon-collie
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Posted : Oct 4, 2006 05:32
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i mean -0.1db peak level according to cubase meters if they are worth anything... |
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 7, 2006 05:50
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On 2006-10-04 05:32, felon-collie wrote:
can't a good sounding psytrance track be produced without final limiting ?
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anything is possible
witht that , i almost never saw track that atleast slight limiting on the master didnt improve it (if u think gain help the track sound good , i do , and as well it stick all together.. but just as long it dont kill the dynamic)
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 04:14
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sounds like you should read the mother of all MASTERING thread..
if you're talking about mixing your track so that nothing clips, then just exporting it and calling it a track..you've got it all wrong.
i'm not criticizing, that just isn't how it's done professionally..
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can't a good sounding psytrance track be produced without final limiting ?
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no, even if you wanted the whole track distorted the best thing to do would be to master it and then put a master distortion on that..
anyway..you need to throw in a master limiter.. |
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 04:16
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On 2006-10-07 05:50, tsabeat wrote:
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On 2006-10-04 05:32, felon-collie wrote:
can't a good sounding psytrance track be produced without final limiting ?
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anything is possible
witht that , i almost never saw track that atleast slight limiting on the master didnt improve it (if u think gain help the track sound good , i do , and as well it stick all together.. but just as long it dont kill the dynamic)
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keep in mind that by doing this you could end up with an entire track +5dB above what a normalized track would sound like..and the standard in the music industry..
this isn't done at all, and for good reasons.. |
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AvS
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Posted : Oct 9, 2006 09:34
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quane, your not making any sense unless i have misunderstood something.
Of course its possible to make a good sounding track without limiting. Shure it will be quieter and maybe sound less in your face but definetly more pleasent and realaxing to your years.
Oh and I bet if you use limters and softclipping in the mix stage its possible to make a pretty loud mix if thats what you want.
And what do mean by "you could end up with an entire track +5dB above what a normalized track would sound like"?
All normalised tracks are not the same volume at all. Sounds like thats what your are saying. It totally depends on the mix.
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