like nothing's safe anymore

On 2011-09-13 21:09, Maine Coon wrote:
OK, let's start with a simple question:
has there ever been a period of time when you were getting sales/exposure/bookings?
If yes - when was it and when did it end?
If no - how come you are so famous in this Scene?

In a matter of answering your remarks:
- I did not assume, I just guessed. It’s not a secret that DH and Ekoplex are newcomers and you are a have-been. I just grasped that difference and tried to build on it.
- I do not ask questions because you can (and probably will, when the climate becomes uncomfortable for you) turn around and blame me for derailing an interesting discussion and becoming personal. Especially, since the original discussion has very little to do with you personally, Elysium or even CD sales and festival bookings. But it’s funny how many discussions turn that way. Would you like to re-read this thread and see how that happened?

On 2011-09-13 20:54, Flict wrote:
Yes, and "real life" is deciding that music = free. At least that's what the majority of the world thinks nowadays when they download music for free.

And now? Will you stop creating music because you can't buy a Virus Ti?

On 2011-09-13 21:03, Beat Agency wrote:
Keep doing what you do peeps. Just do not laugh the artists up their faces.

On 2011-09-13 01:59, faxinadu wrote:

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On 2011-09-11 13:30, Maine Coon wrote: Therefore, even if 10 people actually play it - you gained 10 listeners. Your ROI is infinity.

i just want to give another perspective on this.

for my new album, my investment is as follows:

- cut down on work hours, cutting my salary almost in half for 3 months, lets say a total "cost" of about 10000nis

- bought about 5000nis worth of new gear.

- payed money for cover art.

- payed 3500nis for mastering.

- i set aside funds of about 2000nis for payed promotions for the album.

so this album has cost me at the very very least about 22000nis. that is 4,320.44 EUR people!

now we are even not talking about the other sacrifices in time, health, energy and social life.

so this time i could afford it, but i also live in the real world, how many years, how many releases can any random person here maintain this, losing 4000e on every project?

even if i do suddenly get picked up by a big label, chances are whatever money i will get will only provide a partial return.

i would love to release it to the net for free, but it is just not correct in saying that there is no investment therefore no loss.

now, if releasing for free would bring with it legions of fans and those elusive international gigs, that would be a whole other story, but as stated by others here that is yet to be proven. net releases do provide exposure, especially for a new artist, and it brought me to wherever i am today - but the current situation shows it will only take you to a certain point.

I can testify as an owner of a (now not very active anymore) netlabel, that a ton of those download numbers are inflated. not every googleBot click on your webpage, or every actual click on your mp3 is a genuine, interested listener, a huge amount of those clicks are "trash" downloads, that is fact and can be proven by matching the click count for a certain file, with the actuual average bandwidth for each click.

if a file is 10mb, and has 1000 downloads, but the average size of each download is 2mb, it proves this, and is an internet fact not just in music. download counts are ALWAYS a distortion.

we can all just say to hell with it and make music with a freeware sequencer and some downloaded loops with a soundblaster soundcard, or drop the scene altogether and get a proper paying job and spend our energy there, but in the end, both the artists and audience lose.

so yah, sucks!

Let’s say a release on Ektoplazm triples your probability of getting a lucky break in your musical career. Let’s say your initial probability of getting such a lucky break is 1/1000. You just improved to 3/1000. Still, out of 400 musicians whose music is released on Ektoplazm quite likely none will get a lucky break. It still does not negate the fact that Ektoplazm just tripled your chances of success. Of course, I am pulling all these numbers out of my ass, but I believe the principle is correct.

On 2011-09-13 21:18, Beat Agency wrote:
Where is the ignore button?

On 2011-09-13 21:25, panike wrote:
Get some money pay to an artist to redesign your web site,your facebook page etc...

On 2011-09-13 21:29, faxinadu wrote:
@ panike

never said anything about my website. in fact i barley use it anymore, i use other avenues these days much more. not that i don't agree with you on the crappy visual concept and all.

if you really want to get to know me, you are invited to ask me WHY it is this way, and maybe i will tell you a bit about my story and how and why i was away from music and why and how i came back and what i want to do now and what changed....

why does everyone always assume baaa

you volunteering to make me a better one?

On 2011-09-13 21:31, faxinadu wrote:

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On 2011-09-13 21:25, panike wrote: Get some money pay to an artist to redesign your web site,your facebook page etc...

see how cynical you all have become? so the gfx artist needs to get payed but the underground musician should shut up and eat rice yes?

do you know my music and philosophy? how many times do i have to say that i have been releasing and will keep releasing most of my music for free. i am just giving you the other side of the coin. jeez

On 2011-09-13 21:41, panike wrote:
Anyway faxinadu if you want a CD cover for free I can make you one.No bad feelings involved mate.