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willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 03:03
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if its a choice between supporting your kids for a year and psytrance, fuck psytrance.
But that's a fallacy, you don't need to invest tons of money to make psytrance in your spare time if it is a hobby for you and not a source of income...you don't need new gear, you don't need anything besides a computer and some spare time.
I'm not trying to offend, I just see tons of people investing large sums of money and then complaining about something that they did to themselves for their own pleasure and it doesn't make sense to me.
Almost none of us can make psytrance professionally. We do it because we love it and it makes us happy 
  If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 03:06
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but i do want to make it professionally, and not sell my soul to fullon 
really, i don't feel entitled, and i don't think anything is going to change, and am not attacking anyone.
i just think that this is the way things are, and am merely stating that it sucks
The Way Back
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Upavas
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 03:09
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On 2011-09-10 19:19, Beat Agency wrote:
I do not buy into the "Nothing say "success" more then seeing your stuff making its way to torrents around the globe". It's just another excuse in the flood of way too many petty excuses.
And to go back to the topic...  ... I never uploaded any finished track onto soundcloud... Unless I release it for free...
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I would buy into this one though " Nothing says success more than seeing your stuff making it around all the sales sites such as iTunes, Beatport, Juno Download and of course retail cd stores and having lots of people pay for it, hyping it up, starting a huge fan base..."
You get the picture. While it may be an honor to have your stuff ripped into oblivion, having the sound heard by many and on many people's torrents and so on, the success is only half, once you actually have something coming back to you, after the label, distributor and so on take their share, now that is full and true success.
If the big acts would do it solely for the love of music, they wouldn't charge for live sets or sound, let's face it... All of them do. So do most labels, and so do very much more even the distributors, they need money to keep the whole thing rolling... Otherwise they go out of business. I have recently realized that e.g. Ectoplasm is indeed an excellent platform to get yourself heard, and am planning to release more sound there soon, just because it is great exposure, but let's not forget, exposure is great, but not enough... It is unfortunate that money makes the world go round, but that's the way it is...
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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hearttricks
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 07:36
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On 2011-09-13 03:06, faxinadu wrote:
but i do want to make it professionally, and not sell my soul to fullon
really, i don't feel entitled, and i don't think anything is going to change, and am not attacking anyone.
i just think that this is the way things are, and am merely stating that it sucks
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musical "success" is 99.8% of the time because the artist sold their soul to the big glitzy music industry machine. of course it sucks. the world has sucked for a long time now, and it's not going to stop..
it's just a pipe dream to just think you can make music you love and get rich from it... i think it's pretty naive to even hope for that.
you know how people used to make money off music? either they were bards and travelling minstrels who sang their hearts out every night for table scraps (and it's likely that most of them were drunks), OR you were (very) lucky enough to be educated, and were hired by the wealthy/powerful, or by the church, to be a composer and/or 'in house' musician.
i'd say things are not so bad today. you have to remember that what we are doing is art/entertainment, and by no means necessary to life. |
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Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 07:37
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Who care about the money ? We care only about the funnn , And im realy sad
the summer is over now so i cant keep sun tan in my pool on my garden ..
This is stupid thread and you all are dealing here with an nonsense .. This is not matter and maximum can help (You - So peoples know you better) 128kbps - No one (Pro) Can use it , This is nothing , So why you all take it so seriously , Its a joke ? , Whats happend to you .. You are kids ? , Feel free and never limit yourself , Do what you want , Let the ppls enjoy of what you doing too .. Why not ? , The 'New World' Say that we dont have to hide anything .
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krikett
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 07:48
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if it makes you feel better, Sound Cloud's streams are only 128-160kbps, so rest assured if they 'rip' it from your site using one of those encoders and dare try to play it on any substantial sound system, it will sound like complete shit, and they will be obviously exposed for being a theif. the encoders may say 320kpbs but i assure you it is not.
geez most people on soundcloud will give you their music if you private message...
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 09:37
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On 2011-09-13 03:06, faxinadu wrote:
but i do want to make it professionally, and not sell my soul to fullon
really, i don't feel entitled, and i don't think anything is going to change, and am not attacking anyone.
i just think that this is the way things are, and am merely stating that it sucks
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musical "success" is 99.8% of the time because the artist sold their soul to the big glitzy music industry machine. of course it sucks. the world has sucked for a long time now, and it's not going to stop..
it's just a pipe dream to just think you can make music you love and get rich from it... i think it's pretty naive to even hope for that.
you know how people used to make money off music? either they were bards and travelling minstrels who sang their hearts out every night for table scraps (and it's likely that most of them were drunks), OR you were (very) lucky enough to be educated, and were hired by the wealthy/powerful, or by the church, to be a composer and/or 'in house' musician.
i'd say things are not so bad today. you have to remember that what we are doing is art/entertainment, and by no means necessary to life.
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One of the things that makes humanity exactly what it is is it's ability to appreciate abstract thoughts such as art, and believe it or not, it is needed to not realize that your life sucks.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 10:36
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now, if releasing for free would bring with it legions of fans and those elusive international gigs, that would be a whole other story, but as stated by others here that is yet to be proven. net releases do provide exposure, especially for a new artist, and it brought me to wherever i am today - but the current situation shows it will only take you to a certain point.
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As I said in that thread in the Trance section, we got booked for Switzerland, Germany and Holland from organisers that contacted us after they downloaded the first albums we released on Ektoplazm. + we have had 45000+ people downloading them albums from Ektoplazm. Then there is also Ekoplex he has had even more downloads and plays outside of his home country.
So it is very possible to get fans and start travelling from free releases.
Peace out.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 15:10
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now, if releasing for free would bring with it legions of fans and those elusive international gigs, that would be a whole other story, but as stated by others here that is yet to be proven. net releases do provide exposure, especially for a new artist, and it brought me to wherever i am today - but the current situation shows it will only take you to a certain point.
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As I said in that thread in the Trance section, we got booked for Switzerland, Germany and Holland from organisers that contacted us after they downloaded the first albums we released on Ektoplazm. + we have had 45000+ people downloading them albums from Ektoplazm. Then there is also Ekoplex he has had even more downloads and plays outside of his home country.
So it is very possible to get fans and start travelling from free releases.
Peace out.
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You are two lucky strikes out of a lot of artists who got no bookings whatsoever. I also strongly believe it has all to do with the fact your styles are closer to the mainstream sound in the festivals (more commercial - not saying its bad) whereas more experimental artists or artists with a less fast bpm and less commercial get's zero bookings. Especially if they release for free. Of course I do not have solid proof to this claim but it's my experience.
I had more than 65000 unique downloads on Ektoplazm and own site the last two years and got nada.
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jekvan
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 15:20
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Pardon me for this very rude question,but what less-then-mainstream sound artist got to do to get booked one day (I am far from that as stars from each other,but its a question non the less)?
Besides hard work and lot of love that one is ready to put into his music,what it takes to get heard and even get booked? From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 15:23
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On 2011-09-13 15:20, jekvan wrote:
Pardon me for this very rude question,but what less-then-mainstream sound artist got to do to get booked one day (I am far from that as stars from each other,but its a question non the less)?
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The keep hoping one day the organizers take them serious. But I would not bet on it
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 18:27
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willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 18:57
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I stand by my statement. If you are prioritizing your artistic "needs" over your children you are a bad person whether you make psytrance, paint pictures, etc.
How is that even a question?
Some people take their blips and bleeps way too seriously. It's just music at the end of the day and some things ARE more important than us having the luxury to sit around a computer and twiddle knobs.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 19:06
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This nailed it!
"What kind of business model is useful for selling (the right to listen to) music? If this is the question, then here is the answer: THERE IS NO BUSINESS MODEL, and there will never be one – those of you who tell us “find your own business model, be clever about how to sell” simply forget (or want to forget) that any kind of ‘business model’ needs two sides: one side wanting to sell something, and another side willing to pay for it. Nowadays, if stealing is so easy, why would you want to pay for something you have already stolen?
Noone can find a business model because noone is willing to pay – or even more cynical: noone can find a business model because noone is willing to pay respect to you."
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 19:20
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@beatagency: agreed
@willsanquil: relax mate i don't have kids yet
beatagency can i ask you something without us getting into a fight? how come you are on the one hand so adamant about copyright being so important and a potential revenue source (not talking in the past, talking as of the music-biz situation of 2011)... and on the other hand you seem so somber about the current state of non-existent music models, and aware of how piracy is something one just can not fight?
The Way Back
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