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like nothing's safe anymore

bandarlog
Bandarlog

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Posts :  809
Posted : Sep 7, 2011 20:14
These kinds of comments 'OMG OMG somebody is spreading my music I've put there for free in the first place', they smell like narcism to me...

Besides, ever heard of 'record what you hear'? ANY music that is out there in ANY form can be uploaded again somewhere else. This is the internet! Not Virgin Music store with security at the entrance...
          http://www.soundcloud.com/bandarlog
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/bandarlog-memoirs-of-the-moment
willsanquil
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  2822
Posted : Sep 7, 2011 20:20
If someone uploaded my tracks somewhere without my knowledge I'd be super chuffed.

Get over yourself.            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
www.soundcloud.com/tasp
www.soundcloud.com/kinematic-records
hearttricks

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Posts :  87
Posted : Sep 7, 2011 21:21
way i see it.... i make these songs for myself and others to enjoy. I know that people will like them, and if people want to share them with all their friends, that confirms that I've done my job. Hell I used to give CDs of my tracks out at parties, to whoever expressed interest, it's basically the same thing.
They were never really "MINE" in the first place. I was given this life and this love as a gift, and this mind as a tool. The mind drew in inspiration and turned it into melodies and rhythms, and now it is time to put them back in the world, as part of the sacred rhythm of life... did i just get too heavy there?

I do have those songs that are very personal and special and only get played live a couple times maybe. I never put those up because they are for me and very close people only.
psyraal
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  768
Posted : Sep 7, 2011 22:09
Quote:

On 2011-09-07 20:14, bandarlog wrote:
These kinds of comments 'OMG OMG somebody is spreading my music I've put there for free in the first place', they smell like narcism to me...



Sure, wait what? Narcism? I asked if it was safe to upload to soundcloud, i'm no computer noob and i know most of the stuff you find online you can get using specific tools. But fact is, my tune is there, sure people get to know it, that's great, but on the other hand, someone can easily get to it, even if it is a poor quality file. That's all, so you guys can stop hitting me with stones because i was just shocked, but i guess each oportunity one gets to throw some stones at another person, one takes it.           
https://soundcloud.com/neervos
willsanquil
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Posted : Sep 7, 2011 22:50
Quote:


On 2011-09-07 00:08:28, Ethik Mantis wrote:
What the hell dude? I only uploaded my tune to my soundcloud account but somehow it's located here too, and freaking avaiable for download! (how do i make an angry face here?)

This pisses me off - http://www.dilandau.eu/download_music/jungle-jimi-the-mantis-claw-1.html
(3º file listed)

Isn't it safe to upload to soundcloud?




Quote:

Narcism? I asked if it was safe to upload to soundcloud, i'm no computer noob and i know most of the stuff you find online you can get using specific tools. But fact is, my tune is there, sure people get to know it, that's great, but on the other hand, someone can easily get to it, even if it is a poor quality file. That's all, so you guys can stop hitting me with stones because i was just shocked, but i guess each oportunity one gets to throw some stones at another person, one takes it.




Shocked and Angry are to me two different things - or at least, they can be. Your OP clearly states that you are angry that someone had the audacity to rip your song from soundcloud and put it up for download somewhere else.

There are a couple of options here to explain your thought process:

1) You are angry that your song is available in low-quality format, as you enabled download of a high quality format directly from soundcloud and you feel that this makes you look bad, as if you're releasing low quality stuff. I get that, that's reasonable - if I put my stuff out there, I make sure its in WAV personally.

2) You are angry that your song is available for download at all, as you have not enabled downloading and wish the song to be listenable-to but not downloadable. I get that too, but if you go this route and people like your song enough to want to listen to it outside of Soundcloud then they'll probably figure out some way to do it - and 99% of the time this will result in a loss of quality. You can bitch and groan about it all you want, but this will happen again and again if the song is not available for download and they want it. It is easy to fix this: enable downloading, or don't share the song!

Regardless if it's option #1 or #2...you are getting free promotion. I doubt any DJ worth his mixer would play a song ripped from soundcloud (which already streams at sub-standard quality)...and if it's just some random joe listening then he probably won't hear the difference in terms of quality...and even if they can, they're probably smart enough to recognize that its a 112 MP3 or something.

This situation is something you have to accept (and IMO embrace) if you are going to post your stuff online. I know many people who would be thrilled to have their stuff 'pirated' and put up somewhere...that means that more people are listening to your music.
           If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
www.soundcloud.com/tasp
www.soundcloud.com/kinematic-records
psyraal
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  768
Posted : Sep 7, 2011 22:55
Quote:

On 2011-09-07 22:50, willsanquil wrote:
Quote:


On 2011-09-07 00:08:28, Ethik Mantis wrote:
What the hell dude? I only uploaded my tune to my soundcloud account but somehow it's located here too, and freaking avaiable for download! (how do i make an angry face here?)

This pisses me off - http://www.dilandau.eu/download_music/jungle-jimi-the-mantis-claw-1.html
(3º file listed)

Isn't it safe to upload to soundcloud?




Quote:

Narcism? I asked if it was safe to upload to soundcloud, i'm no computer noob and i know most of the stuff you find online you can get using specific tools. But fact is, my tune is there, sure people get to know it, that's great, but on the other hand, someone can easily get to it, even if it is a poor quality file. That's all, so you guys can stop hitting me with stones because i was just shocked, but i guess each oportunity one gets to throw some stones at another person, one takes it.




Shocked and Angry are to me two different things - or at least, they can be. Your OP clearly states that you are angry that someone had the audacity to rip your song from soundcloud and put it up for download somewhere else.

There are a couple of options here to explain your thought process:

1) You are angry that your song is available in low-quality format, as you enabled download of a high quality format directly from soundcloud and you feel that this makes you look bad, as if you're releasing low quality stuff. I get that, that's reasonable - if I put my stuff out there, I make sure its in WAV personally.

2) You are angry that your song is available for download at all, as you have not enabled downloading and wish the song to be listenable-to but not downloadable. I get that too, but if you go this route and people like your song enough to want to listen to it outside of Soundcloud then they'll probably figure out some way to do it - and 99% of the time this will result in a loss of quality. You can bitch and groan about it all you want, but this will happen again and again if the song is not available for download and they want it. It is easy to fix this: enable downloading, or don't share the song!

Regardless if it's option #1 or #2...you are getting free promotion. I doubt any DJ worth his mixer would play a song ripped from soundcloud (which already streams at sub-standard quality)...and if it's just some random joe listening then he probably won't hear the difference in terms of quality...and even if they can, they're probably smart enough to recognize that its a 112 MP3 or something.

This situation is something you have to accept (and IMO embrace) if you are going to post your stuff online. I know many people who would be thrilled to have their stuff 'pirated' and put up somewhere...that means that more people are listening to your music.




You have a point there, and in the first post i was pissed, because i just found out that my tune was avaiable for download, and the "i can steal your tune" thing kinda freaked me out.           
https://soundcloud.com/neervos
jekvan
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics :  70
Posts :  406
Posted : Sep 7, 2011 23:10
Ya man,lets all chillaxor on this

Simple fact is if you keep doing music,you will get ripped on.Thats what I was doing to artists and shit from torrents (sorry guys),it is kinda expected those days.This is wrong I now,people should get something for their hard work invested in tunes,but logic ain't never going to stop human kind.

This is good way to get known actually,I know many Russian artists put their stuff on torrents by themself,for free publicity.

Just keep doing tunes,one day you will be invited to perform and then dude is gonna get paid           From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)


http://soundcloud.com/jekvan
Alien Bug
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  682
Posted : Sep 8, 2011 01:19
heh, everything ok but i find unfinished version of my track (demo for friends) and there is nothing bout that (no info). so someone can dl my track and think that im make a half-ready shitty sounding tracks. i understand that i can find my finished tracks somewhere over internet but this is not ok.
but i dont make a suicide for this reason, im just write what i think           http://www.beatport.com/release/cross-the-atoms/1042450
http://soundcloud.com/alien-bug
http://www.facebook.com/ali3nBug
willsanquil
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  2822
Posted : Sep 8, 2011 01:33
If you sent a half finished track to someone and they uploaded it without your consent they are not your friend.            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
www.soundcloud.com/tasp
www.soundcloud.com/kinematic-records
Alekzis


Started Topics :  0
Posts :  81
Posted : Sep 8, 2011 02:59
come on... if you can hear it, you can record it. we ALL know that.
if you want a safe way to promote your tracks then just upload only demos!!! you know crossfade every often...
but seriously, it is a win if you find your tracks here and there. think about it.           https://soundcloud.com/poisonritual
Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine

Started Topics :  191
Posts :  3097
Posted : Sep 8, 2011 07:57


Who care and why its have to bother you if some one (Somewhere over
the world) Listening your music on 128kbps ? . You should be happy ! .

Safe/Not safe - Thats not matter , This is all about what you want . Dont put your tracks in the net .


Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine

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Posts :  3097
Posted : Sep 8, 2011 08:22



P.s - Almost forget .. (Have to tell you that ..)

Just read few days ago in 'National Geographic' an realy interesting report (With an 2 storys in) About one indian chif (Cant sleep at night without/Before hearing 'Ethik Mantis' music on 128kbps And he said to his peoples 'I find god .. !') And an one eskimo fellow that can't (And refuse ...) go hunting the great white bear without your music in his ipod .


psyraal
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  768
Posted : Sep 8, 2011 12:13
Quote:

On 2011-09-08 08:22, Cardinals Cartel wrote:



P.s - Almost forget .. (Have to tell you that ..)

Just read few days ago in 'National Geographic' an realy interesting report (With an 2 storys in) About one indian chif (Cant sleep at night without/Before hearing 'Ethik Mantis' music on 128kbps And he said to his peoples 'I find god .. !') And an one eskimo fellow that can't (And refuse ...) go hunting the great white bear without your music in his ipod .






You're so funny.           
https://soundcloud.com/neervos
Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine

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Posts :  3097
Posted : Sep 8, 2011 16:08
Dont worry .. ! peopels use it only for an good things , They take it , Cut it , Mix it (With other
tracks) And play it in the 'Beginning of the year' partys At school's (Sport hall) all over the world ! .

Ascension
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  3642
Posted : Sep 8, 2011 16:47
Sorta sucks when you post something intended to be a WIP, but someone else presents it as finished material. Either way it's up to the producer to put stuff online and how they want to do that...           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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