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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 22:47
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Maybe I misunderstood your original post but from what you said it seemed to imply that you just wanted to get up there and look cool, with no actual substance or originality to your show.
well youre right, of corse i dont just want to look cool... but i dont want to much effort to get started.
when i do my first livething someday... i will like it and i will be willing to get better for sure.
but i want it fast, because i have to be in this whole thing to get better, otherwise ill get old here infront of my pc.
so its ok, if my first life"act" is not that great perforemed, principal thing is to do it... to meet the right ppl, to learn more.
i dont want to give any DJ my music, that he get the whole pleasure of my hard work^^
i wanted to know the minimal effort/fastest way to get there.
sorry for missleading you, my english isnt that good.
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 22:57
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On 2009-02-23 22:47, orgytime wrote:
well youre right, of corse i dont just want to look cool... but i dont want to much effort to get started.
when i do my first livething someday... i will like it and i will be willing to get better for sure.
but i want it fast, because i have to be in this whole thing to get better, otherwise ill get old here infront of my pc.
so its ok, if my first life"act" is not that great perforemed, principal thing is to do it... to meet the right ppl, to learn more.
i dont want to give any DJ my music, that he get the whole pleasure of my hard work^^
i wanted to know the minimal effort/fastest way to get there.
sorry for missleading you, my english isnt that good.
thanks for taking time!
cheers
don't try to run before you can walk. i don't think now is the time for you to be worrying about this. just keep doing what you are doing and be patient.
people are somewhat hostile because of the way you keep phrasing this. it just seems like you want to press a magic button and the next big hit gets written and burned to a cd for you, so you can take that, pop it into a cd player, press play, and go get serviced by a long line of scantily clad females lined up around the block trying to show you their appreciation for your hard work.
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 23:44
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don't try to run before you can walk. i don't think now is the time for you to be worrying about this. just keep doing what you are doing and be patient.
people are somewhat hostile because of the way you keep phrasing this. it just seems like you want to press a magic button and the next big hit gets written and burned to a cd for you, so you can take that, pop it into a cd player, press play, and go get serviced by a long line of scantily clad females lined up around the block trying to show you their appreciation for your hard work.
i know that it takes time...
i never thought of doing this dj stuff since every 13year old kid wants to be a cool dj.
i like artists because of their hard work in musicproduction, not because they´re tweaking knobs on stage.
but it seems like i cant outrun this, and its a (big)part of the whole process.
i just dont prize DJing that much.
i know ppl what made electronical music for more than 5 years, and they still know/got nothing, because they got no internet/ the right connections.
thats why i want to be fast, again.
im not thinking of girls, i got one.
i played guitar for 5 years in a metal band,
and it never came to a liveact because of my and my mates tendon problems...
now we got something where those damn tendons cant stop us, and we also love this style of music.
maybe thats why it seems that i got that rush.
and if ppl dont like that opinion, why they just cant say it in a way like you?,
or better explain me my fault...www.soundcloud.com/orgytime
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 23:54
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On 2009-02-23 23:44, orgytime wrote:
but it seems like i cant outrun this, and its a (big)part of the whole process.
what "whole process?" what exactly are your objectives?
you say you know it takes time, yet
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but i want it fast... but i dont want to much effort to get started.
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Posted : Feb 23, 2009 23:55
Just some perspective...
... I've been into this music for almost 10 years now, and I am only recently starting to get international bookings. Some have made it in less time, but I wouldn't use "quick" or "fast" to describe any of their paths, either.
Also you will have a hard time getting live act bookings if nobody knows your name or your music. Which means you need to release tracks.
On that note, DJs playing your tracks is probably the number 1 or number 2 ways to get your music heard, you you might want to reconsider your position on that.
Regarding "dark" music... I have been turned down by three booking opportunities this month alone because the promoters found my sounds to be too dark/fast/aggressive. You can't hold that against anyone. Different promoters want different sounds for their parties and getting turned down based on your style is just something artists have to live with.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 00:38
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On 2009-02-23 23:44, orgytime wrote:
but it seems like i cant outrun this, and its a (big)part of the whole process.
what "whole process?" what exactly are your objectives?
you say you know it takes time, yet
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but i want it fast... but i dont want to much effort to get started.
ok, one more time.
i know it takes time, but i want to know what
to do NOW, to get started faster, to make ready for it, to imagine whats coming...
my goal is not to get money or sell music,
my goal is to show my work to people live.
and to axis:
i just can talk about the metal sceene here,
and there you can do any metalstyle-gig very often with not TO MUCH knowledgement/skills...
and now in this genre, it seems to be there only dark artists got chance for this, but again... i dont know.
would you say, its harder to make a psy-"gig"
than a rock-gig? because its really looking like this.
i just can compare it to rock, because i know about this.
maybe its total wrong to compare this two genres with "how long takes it to go get a gig"
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 00:52
Well, the minimum you need to get started, I'd say, is to get a decent laptop, an external hard drive, and a MIDI controller. Then a program like Ableton. So for the basic minimum I estimate roughly 1000-1200 euros. But even this doesn't make up much of a live set at this point so depending on how "live" you really want to be you'll need more hardware to play with, and the practice to know how to use it. (In my opinion if you have "live" by your name then you should have something you could be doing within your set the entire time. You don't see "live" solo musicians standing there with a guitar or piano not doing anything, while some highly orchestrated music plays over speakers around him, do you? No...)
To answer your question, I do not know the conditions of where you live but where I live it is much easier to get a rock gig than a psy gig. At any rate you will need to get your name and sounds out there by sending demos out to anyone and playing at whatever parties you can, and importantly, do it without ego and be prepared to be ignored/criticized.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 00:55
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Well, the minimum you need to get started, I'd say, is to get a decent laptop, an external hard drive, and a MIDI controller. Then a program like Ableton. So for the basic minimum I estimate roughly 1000-1200 euros. But even this doesn't make up much of a live set at this point so depending on how "live" you really want to be you'll need more hardware to play with, and the practice to know how to use it.
To answer your question, I do not know the conditions of where you live but where I live it is much easier to get a rock gig than a psy gig. At any rate you will need to get your name and sounds out there by sending demos out to anyone and playing at whatever parties you can, and importantly, do it without ego and be prepared to be ignored/criticized.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 00:57
I'd imagine it's alot easier to get rock/ metal gigs than psy gigs as there's ALOT more people who listen to rock/ metal than psy, also rock gigs will ALWAYS be live (as far as i know) whereas dj sets are just as/ more common than live sets in psy.
But i think you just need to roll with it, try get dj gigs first, that way you can play your songs amongst professional songs and see how they sound on the dance floor. That would be a better way to start i think, because songs can sound very different on the dance floor from in the studio, and it'd be better to sound what they hear like amongst other tunes rather than risking a whole set being a little bit dodgy.
I remember the first live set i played was a breakcore/ jungle set and i'd hardly tested any of the tunes on a proper system, and unfortunately alot of the set sounded awful. I'm not trying to say yours will too, but it might be a risk worth taking into account.
Ben
Projection makes perception. The world is what you gave it, nothing more than that. It is a witness to your state of mind, the outside picture of an inward condition. As a man thinketh, so does he perceive- Anonymous
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 02:56
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very helpfull!
thanks mate.
what's so complicated about clicking on that yellow "Search" link and typing the first 2 words that come to mind.... like.... "live setup?" the first page of results will present to you many threads where people discuss the various ways of doing this in detail. i mean, the very first result is a video from Tom Cosm where he actually SHOWS how it can be done. really breaks it down for you, nice and neat. no need to read or experiment or try to imagine how it can be done or anything like that.
i don't know why you are surprised people can get annoyed by a thread like this. especially in the way you worded it.
but to stay on topic, "live" can range from simply pressing play on one long file and not doing anything (which is what you personally want it seems) to creating an entire track completely on the fly, starting from nothing. these are two extremes, with the first obivously not being "live" at all the second not being feasible in a genre like psy (though people do this with techno).
your "live" will be somewhere in between, but you are the only one who can decide what it will be.
good luck.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2009 09:41
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very helpfull!
thanks mate.
what's so complicated about clicking on that yellow "Search" link and typing the first 2 words that come to mind.... like.... "live setup?" the first page of results will present to you many threads where people discuss the various ways of doing this in detail. i mean, the very first result is a video from Tom Cosm where he actually SHOWS how it can be done. really breaks it down for you, nice and neat. no need to read or experiment or try to imagine how it can be done or anything like that.
i don't know why you are surprised people can get annoyed by a thread like this. especially in the way you worded it.
but to stay on topic, "live" can range from simply pressing play on one long file and not doing anything (which is what you personally want it seems) to creating an entire track completely on the fly, starting from nothing. these are two extremes, with the first obivously not being "live" at all the second not being feasible in a genre like psy (though people do this with techno).
your "live" will be somewhere in between, but you are the only one who can decide what it will be.
good luck.
i searched for "liveact".
somehow you still dont understand (or its myself) what i want...
i think i have to improve my english.
i watched some videos on youtube, where artists played their tracks at any party (i call that gig). but there wasnt much changing from the original in their tracks (i knew this songs before)... and then i wondered why he is tweaking any knobs...
so i didnt thought it takes much to stand there and tweak a littlebit.
and so do the most artists i have watched (maybe it isnt that easy, so sorry again for offending).
so if that is no "lifeact", i totally missunderstood everything, and i understand why real "lifeactors" feel offended by me.
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 02:27
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very helpfull!
thanks mate.
what's so complicated about clicking on that yellow "Search" link and typing the first 2 words that come to mind.... like.... "live setup?" the first page of results will present to you many threads where people discuss the various ways of doing this in detail. i mean, the very first result is a video from Tom Cosm where he actually SHOWS how it can be done. really breaks it down for you, nice and neat. no need to read or experiment or try to imagine how it can be done or anything like that.
i don't know why you are surprised people can get annoyed by a thread like this. especially in the way you worded it.
but to stay on topic, "live" can range from simply pressing play on one long file and not doing anything (which is what you personally want it seems) to creating an entire track completely on the fly, starting from nothing. these are two extremes, with the first obivously not being "live" at all the second not being feasible in a genre like psy (though people do this with techno).
your "live" will be somewhere in between, but you are the only one who can decide what it will be.
good luck.
i searched for "liveact".
somehow you still dont understand (or its myself) what i want...
i think i have to improve my english.
i watched some videos on youtube, where artists played their tracks at any party (i call that gig). but there wasnt much changing from the original in their tracks (i knew this songs before)... and then i wondered why he is tweaking any knobs...
so i didnt thought it takes much to stand there and tweak a littlebit.
and so do the most artists i have watched (maybe it isnt that easy, so sorry again for offending).
so if that is no "lifeact", i totally missunderstood everything, and i understand why real "lifeactors" feel offended by me.
(its a stupit example xD )
You haven't misunderstood anything... As I said before, most artists just pretend Live...
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 03:15
well connections is everything!
so you better start making good connections and keep making music and your dream will come true!
nice track you got there, "Tradeoff" kind of generic but still very nice.. i like the sounds and the melodies, you got that classic "laughing buddha vst" cant remember the name formant filter talking sound..and that legato lead ala vibetribe, pretty classic sound aswell
keep it up and good luck!
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 09:39
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well connections is everything!
so you better start making good connections and keep making music and your dream will come true!
nice track you got there, "Tradeoff" kind of generic but still very nice.. i like the sounds and the melodies, you got that classic "laughing buddha vst" cant remember the name formant filter talking sound..and that legato lead ala vibetribe, pretty classic sound aswell
keep it up and good luck!
hehe thanks, the laughing buddha is made with an simple saw+reso+lfo/cuttoff with an added lo-fi effect, you can make it with every synth (i took zebra).
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 00:18
orgytime - one more thing if you want to be in control is to arrange your own party...
i dont know how it is in your country but im sure there are people there that want to party...
so maybe you and your friends can organize it and you can be the main act and then have some other local artists and djs and have a nice time
i mean its not too expensive to rent a generator and a soundsystem if you are some people that go together...
formant filter talking sound..and that legato lead ala vibetribe, pretty classic sound aswell 