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WAVELOGIX
Wavelogix
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 14:48
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ok guys ...
i need u ppl's expert help on setting up / doing the levelling in nuendo ...
i use fl studio to make the patterns , export as .wav frm fruity @ 100 % volume ....
then wrk only in audio in nuendo .... and normalize all the clips ...
now when it comes to levelling , no matter what i do .. my mixes always sound low in volume .... i do know tht , if im going to send the trk to a label , i must not worry abt the volume , as the label will handle this ...
but for personal satisfacion i want my mixes to sound reasonably loud !
so after i normalized all the clips and im ready to do a mixdown ...i set the master channel fader to -20 db ... coz thts the listening level im comfortable with ...
now how do i proceed on frm here , with setting the individual faders ??
and once im done with the mix ... at the time of exprt to audio , should i set the master fader @ 0 db ????
even doing this , does not makes the mix sound loud ! 
i also use a waves L1 on the master fader as insert 1 ... with threshold set to -2 db ....
i hope i was able to explain my self very well ...
so guys , gimme a way to set up a good level and howe to sound LOUD ??? 
once again , everytning little information frm u gys is very very appreciated and valuable 4 me ...so keep writing !
thanks 4 ur valueable time and effrt and utter RESPECT to everyone out there !
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Triton
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 11:05
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Your mixdowns of the individual tracks will probably have 'spikes' in them, while most of the audio is far below the maximum level of these spikes. By normalizing you let your audio fill the whole dynamic range, but the sound you're really interested in is still just using a small percentage of the available range because the spikes are between the floor and the ceiling. You can use a compressor / limiter to chop off those spikes, and raise the volume of the sound you're really interested in. If you load your wave-files in a wave-editor like Wavelab you will see what i mean. I almost always make mixdowns of individual tracks and run them through a wave-editor to see whether they contain spikes and to cut those off when it's necessary. |
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psypox
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 13:10
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Hey!
I have the same problem hehe... dont know why, but my work is always realy low hehe... but i just uses a gain'er in logic for personal satisfacion.
Try useing a GAIN'er! it can do the problem
plur!
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ganjagil
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 13:59
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I had the same problem and what i did was a Limiter on the master channel and also when you export the wave file just go to cool edit open it again and normalize it, this should give your sound the quality desired then just upload in nuendo and see how it sounds! Should sound better though it is also depending on the sound you have if its software sound generally it sounds less richer than the hardware one...
Keep trying and never give up
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psypox
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 15:10
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On 2004-09-14 13:59, ganjagil wrote:
I had the same problem and what i did was a Limiter on the master channel |
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isent that a stupid idea? because a limiter turns up the volume when the song is in a break.. if you know what i mean...
Because i can remember that i tryed to put a limiter in the master channel and when my kick had a littel break, the hihats volumet up 2 db, and then down again when the kick started again...
hope you understand 
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WAVELOGIX
Wavelogix
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 16:08
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i really didnt , psypox ....
sorry ... ! |
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orik
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 17:50
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well, as for the master fader, it should always be on 0 db...the rest of your channels
you adjust accourding to that one...as
for normalizing all your tracks, in my opinion it fucks up the sound. i dont know
why yet,but it does.
as for putting a limiter on the master channel. it is a good idea but limit it gentely, in order that you wont have
big volume changes whyle therer are parts
who are not limited...and use fx pan them,
add some channels dubble stuff...then youl start getting your fatter sounds...
its true |
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Hayez
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 22:39
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I think that there is a problem with your PA or audio card if you need to put the master at -20db. What do you mean "comfortable with" ?
Mixing in low volume and then normalize /limiting is a bad idea because a lot of the floor noise will come up.
"a new art came into my mind which only you can create, the Art of Noises, the logical consequence of your marvelous innovations." Russolo, 1913 |
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Sep 15, 2004 00:26
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All i can say is that its good to mix low.. as long as you get the clarity your after... anyway i my self never touches the master fader...
but each to their own as long as it works, i think you have to have that attitude... who gives about wrong and rights when all we are after is a good sound..... but people will still tell you not to touch the master fader  experiment.. thats the key!
i bet those who is most successful have broken many rules.....
You should nurse every sound as much as you can and as much as you have energy to, this takes lots of knowledge and that is what we should strive for! Who said music creation was easy, it sucks the life out of you, and its your job to get that life back in form of a massive energy bolt that you have shaped....... hehe
we are always trying to find shortcuts here and there, but to a good mix i dont think there are any shortcuts, its all about getting the volume right, on everything..... and its a damn job! and when i say everything i mean microscopic differences and in different frequency areas.... not just the volume faders on the mixer
peaks, yes if you want max density you have to minimize the peaks and try to get the whole mass up to a desired level....anyway its a daily struggle to get the right volume, in time we all get better and find out what we like best...
in my opinion the true art is when you look for something you like and when you find it you ditch it and start another search for something else you might like
I really dont have anything to say that will help you cause im in the same situation, i cant get it right my self and im never happy, so i never finish anything... all those projects sucks energy if they are left undone...
all i can say is keep working and save some headroom to give some magic with other tools....
lets say you are happy with a mix and you have some headroom.... lets say you think the whole track lacks
defention in the high frequency.... well now when you have headroom you can check that by boosting the eq in the high regions and see what happens, maybe its not good for all elements but you will hear what you should give individual boost or cut to get defention in the mix....or maybe the mix sounds good with a overall boost somewhere....
good luck GTN, i like your posts, keep em coming
laters
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WAVELOGIX
Wavelogix
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Posted : Sep 15, 2004 12:33
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SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THT ????
1. SHOULD I WORRY AT ALL ABT THE VOLUME OR LEAVE OT TO THE LABEL ?
2 . SHOULD I MIX AT LOW VOLUME [ FLETCHER MUNSON CURVES ] AND THEN NORMALIZE ?
3. OR SHOULD U KEEP THE MASTER FADER PRETTY LOUD , ADJUST CHANNELS AND THEN PUT LIMITER ON MASTER , THRESHOLD TO -3 DB ?
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psypox
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Posted : Sep 15, 2004 13:23
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1.dont worry too much about low mix, when you are using 24 bit it shudent be a problem.
2. i'm not normalizing, dunno why.... some says its stupit to normalize and some says its not.
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