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Bagginz
Cosmosis
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 06:06
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subconsciousmind
SCM
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 16:03
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What is live play?
To define technically this is leading nowhere for me..
Well for me, as an emotional musician, it is live play if I can adapt my songs to my personal and the momentary mood at the party. If I'm fucked and the mood at the party is fucked, my songs have to get fucked too. Then it is live.
Or the other way round:
For me it is not "live" if no matter how I feel or the party feels, the songs still rock.
Summary for me:
Songs emotionally interact with party - Live
Songs don't emotionally interact with party - Playback
  Most of my music for you to download at:
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gutter
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 16:53
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Dr. Bill plays his beautiful riffs
Thats what is all bout .. Jamming
Take your guitar ,, touch your super duper NordLead or Virus or a f**ng flute
and JAM .... through the vibe of the track.. make people CRY ..
thats the difference between really musically talented people
and people who have learned 5 things and use them all the time - and become boring -
*BobyMarleySaid
i wonna jaM it with you ..
he knew the vibe
& its still the same vibe people
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Seamoon
Seamoon
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Posted : Mar 28, 2008 13:17
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Don't get me wrong Mr. Bagginz, maybe i posted your Video in the wrong Context, because you did not "fake" (that's what really is not ok)...
much respect for you,
Seamoon
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Bagginz
Cosmosis
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Posted : Mar 28, 2008 17:51
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On 2008-03-28 13:17, Seamoon wrote:
Don't get me wrong Mr. Bagginz, maybe i posted your Video in the wrong Context, because you did not "fake" (that's what really is not ok)...
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No worries at all Seamoon
I also think that it is absurd and even slightly embarrassing to watch artists pretending to be tweaking filters or playing synthesisers when they're not connected. It strikes me as an insult to the audience's intelligence.
Live has always meant Live P.A for me, as in public appearance. Therfore on those gigs where I am not playing an instrument, I make no attempt to pretend.
For some time in the early days I used to somewhat pedantically insist that promoters bill me on the flyer as "Cosmosis Live P.A."
Which worked some of the time, but I found that not all promoters were willing to compromise their headliner by admitting it wasn't fully live. After several promoters didn't follow my requests ("sorry the flyer has aleady gone to the printers") and when in time, live trance P.A.s just came to be called "live" on the flyer. I just couldn't be bothered to insist any more...
Cheers,
Bill
www.cosmosis.co.uk
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Mar 28, 2008 19:45
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On 2008-03-28 17:51, Bagginz wrote:
I also think that it is absurd and even slightly embarrassing to watch artists pretending to be tweaking filters or playing synthesisers when they're not connected. It strikes me as an insult to the audience's intelligence.
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no more to say.
Most of my music for you to download at:
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mquirk1
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Mar 30, 2008 05:39
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An artist DJing their own tracks = Lively
Playing a pre-arranged set off a laptop = Live
The difference? The months and months the artist spends in the studio making the perfect flowing live set with new/tweaked versions of original tracks and extended break downs etc etc. I don't see why someone who has spent so much time in the studio composing a 90 min live set should be considered a "faker" just cos he's not playing some squeaky sounds on a synth on stage over the top of it.
Oh and I laughed at that comment that for it to be live a plane has to fly over the dancefloor in a breakdown hahah |
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
Atma
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Posted : Mar 30, 2008 16:46
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well, i agree with mquirk1 !
Before every gig i must spend at lest 4-5 days in studio to upload samples and loops on my HD Recoder and hardware sampler. Than i must rearrange them, create loop markers, apply effects, make new volume & pan settings, etc etc...
To create 90 minutes of musical program i must split every single channel of the tracks into small loops or samples, and remix everything completly. Let's not forget that i have to make the midi syncronization between the HD recorder, Sampler and the groovebox i use. On the groovebox i must create also RPS's, arpegiattors or sound effects which are played live ..
So, this is a lot of work ! it's not like you just take some cd's, put them in your bag and you are done..you are superstar DJ. lol
That's why i don't agree with the ideea of calling this "Dj Set" or "Producer Set".
Another thing...a Dj can always change the track or choose the right track, depends of the party, peoples, atmosphere...but a "Live Act" can't do this...they must play their music no matter what.
Sometimes it happen to be on the wrong hour in line up, or on the wrong moment on a party, but you can not change your music...you must play your own stuff.
So, i don't think it's fair to make comparations between a Live Act and a Dj. They are totally diffrent jobs !
Also, we ca not make comparations between what is "live act" today and what it was in 1970. Things have changed a lot since than. First of all the music changed, and than the equipment aswell.
It is just like we try to make comparation
between how music was recorded in studios 30 years ago and how music is recorded on studio today.
NEW ALBUM OUT SOON !!!
"ATMA - Music Revolution"
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 1, 2008 13:20
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@mquirk1 & @Atma,
As I said it, and believe the other too. Fakers are considered those PRETENDING to do something they actually don't.
Tweaking knobs with No effect, playing unconnected synths. etc.
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Apr 1, 2008 15:53
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i can tell easy what you meen and why it happen
once i used to play more monotonic stuff and make all the breakes with the cdj and mixer fx
but today its allready "built-in" into the track , easy to notice this is the main "new" thing in the last 5 years in psy
so the dj should only stare on the peaple or just dance cause he or the artist made allready evrything to maximum
but they want to look like they do it on the fly not make in cubase with sync and grid
most easy to notice is the long filter sweeps , that used to be made by the dj in order to mix but now evry track sound like mix and the start/end is just stupid loop for easy beatmix (apply to house and fullon mostly)
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FaceHead
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Posted : Apr 2, 2008 09:34
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the best thing to do for a live set is one of two things since you have computers and fancy new fangled technology you have some options...
step one:
lineup tracks
step two:
push play
step three:
dance away including hand gestures you choreographed in front of your wall mirror behind your decks at home
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now heres where the choices come in either you can watch vintage-pornography or play solataire till you are done. thats really no questions asked the best way. Doing a real live set youll just ruin your own music with all that technical knowledge and skill.
the only other way and this is rare is to make such an impressive costume that they wont care that your mobility is sacraficed like maybe paint yourself gold and float in a giant fish bowl or dress like some sexy future robot lizard hookers giant mechapimp but you have lots of options here.
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 2, 2008 11:02
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u guys play for the party or for the 15 odd geeks who are more interested in dissecting ur live act than having a good time ? just keep rocking it .. iz all good =)
edit : people have a problem with bad music .. thats why eskimo and the likes get so much shit .. nobody would be complaining if say jaffa or someone hit space bar and let it rip .. imo
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FaceHead
FaceHead
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 02:05
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I think it has alot to do with humbling the rockstars. I saw eskimo then met him years ago maybe i got the wrong impression but he seemed very concieted. He was getting drunk disrespecting and making fun of alot of people.
So this being the case people delight in pointing out the flaws of the larger than life rockstars. You never hear "man did you see that guy it was his second show and he was faking the whole thing thats great haha. Its when you get ahead of yourself that people want to blow apart your carefully crafted image, bring you back to earth and prove that you are human. Kudos to those who do.
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 02:11
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gaianide
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 13:19
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paint yourself gold and float in a giant fish bowl
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HaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I'm stealing this idea.
Coming soon....Goldfish (Live) |
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