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bandarlog
Bandarlog
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vegetal
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bandarlog
Bandarlog
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-aeon-
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Glitch_CapeTown
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Mar 19, 2008 15:02
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On 2008-03-19 13:55, bandarlog wrote:
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On 2008-03-18 22:52, Kamino_Productions wrote:
It may be a childrens toy when you don't know how to use it...every machine can be children toys when you have no idea about music productions. Same thing it is with software (Fl Studio for example...)
So, mr. Bandarlog...Please share us some better work of you, and your magic "adult" toys, and that talk !!! Until than, go get a job !
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So mr. kamino_productions never heard of the phrase "j/k" this means "just kidding".
btw: I have a job (teacher), I own a mc505 (myself), I produce in FL (myself) and if you want a taste of my work: go to myspace.com/bandarlog or wait just a few more weeks, perhaps a month or two for the release of my full album. In case you doubt it: go check the trancers guide to the galaxy on the page of the US, at the bottom 
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WTF man where is your "Magic adult toys" i want to see them =D 
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yea me too =(
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hugaw
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Posted : Mar 19, 2008 16:51
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@ Colin > i don't know how to define that. If you are just mixing your own tracks i would call that a Dj Set. If you interact more in this set (playing leads, fx's, samples, tweaking, etc) then it might be a live act...
Because playing a 90min rendered file and mixing short tracks is quite the same thing if they're all yours IMO.
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kajola
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Posted : Mar 19, 2008 18:59
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TOPE
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Posted : Mar 19, 2008 21:51
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On 2008-03-18 22:27, Chemogen wrote:
South Africans were not at all happy when he pulled that shit here last month.
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LOL... This video really made my day... 
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...And there goes one Happy customer!!! 
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anigbrowl
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 00:17
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Because playing a 90min rendered file and mixing short tracks is quite the same thing if they're all yours IMO.
So maybe we shall invent a name ??
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Isn't this what they call a 'personal appearance' or 'PA'?
I remember back in the 90s I was so excited the first time I could see space Tribe in San Francisco, maybe the first or second year I got into psytrance. So i go along to the party, took 2 very good hits of acid, but everything went wrong from the start...
First, it was in an empty office and the floor was industrial carpet...impossible to dance in bare feet and then it started to smell sort of funny as the room got warm...but I thought 'never mind, Space tribe is coming!'. Finally Ollie stepped up to the decks....yes!...then he plugged in DAT Walkman (just one) and hit play, and played the whole second album while he jumped around.
I left after about 60 minutes, with the horrible feeling of a really bad trip. Walked home for about 45 minutes, threw my Space Tribe CD out the window and put on my Goa Gil compilation at low volume. Aaaaah, much better.
I think my Space Tribe CD is still buried in the garden of that house. Ollie is a nice guy but I can't lisen to the music anymore, it just takes me straight back to the bad trip moment!  |
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 00:44
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Because playing a 90min rendered file and mixing short tracks is quite the same thing if they're all yours IMO.
So maybe we shall invent a name ??
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Isn't this what they call a 'personal appearance' or 'PA'?
I remember back in the 90s I was so excited the first time I could see space Tribe in San Francisco, maybe the first or second year I got into psytrance. So i go along to the party, took 2 very good hits of acid, but everything went wrong from the start...
First, it was in an empty office and the floor was industrial carpet...impossible to dance in bare feet and then it started to smell sort of funny as the room got warm...but I thought 'never mind, Space tribe is coming!'. Finally Ollie stepped up to the decks....yes!...then he plugged in DAT Walkman (just one) and hit play, and played the whole second album while he jumped around.
I left after about 60 minutes, with the horrible feeling of a really bad trip. Walked home for about 45 minutes, threw my Space Tribe CD out the window and put on my Goa Gil compilation at low volume. Aaaaah, much better.
I think my Space Tribe CD is still buried in the garden of that house. Ollie is a nice guy but I can't lisen to the music anymore, it just takes me straight back to the bad trip moment!
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in my eyes ollie owes u another trip back :*(
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anigbrowl
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 01:14
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if u succeed,i believe u can do a true live act,with no pre-recorded stuff,making all tracks from zero,just like u release them!
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Well, I suggest there is a nice middle ground. and before I start, my 'system' is not so great because it makes me a bit lazy on finishing tracks, so I respect you are a more productive musician than me.
anyway...you complained about the risk of using a computer running at 80% and the delay while you load a new song etc. OK, if you are 100% computer based, this is a problem. But here is an alternative way to think...
I'm usually using a hardware sampler/groovebox (Yamaha RS7000) plus a nord modular (or could be any VA, or indeed any synth you love). I use the computer like a tape recorder...for some reason I am more productive when I do not sequence on the screen although the computer is an important tool.
Now of course with a nice hardware sequencer you can exert more control over the structure and flow of the music. Or, you can just switch everything to song modo and play back MIDI, but use the knobs on your VA synth to control the timbe of your lead sounds or make some crazy FX at the right time.
When you get near the end of a song, just put in your sequence a patch change, so the VA plays some weird FX/pad sound that is evolving and changing (or even just play this sound by hand on a keyboard: shocking idea!! if the beat is not running you can just do something ambient for 30 or 60 seconds while your next track is loading in the sequencer).
Or you could have a hardware FX unit that is receiving midi clock (even some DJ mixers nowadays)...when it comes near the end of the set, just fade up the FX unit with a delay sound and play with the EQ as the new track loads.
OK, but maybe you have some big problem with hardware or whatever...still you can have the live aspect. Say it is just your laptop and some kind of keyboard controller like the Novation or M-audio. You can use the controls on the keyboard to tweak your leads etc. while you play (most controllers have endless rotary knobs these days, so no worries about the sound 'jumping' to some horrible noise when you grab the knob). when you get near the end of the track and need 30-60 seconds to load the new project, you press 'play' on your ipod or whatever, where you have loaded some 1-2 minute ambient pieces...
Sure, this is not truly 'live'...but mixing and matching some different tricks can make the technology work for you easily nowadays. I remember the first time I played for anybody (which was kind of terrible, but the important thing was we had fun), I had my computer and an MC-505 going into 2 channels of the DJ mixer, and on the 3rd channel a really old crappy turntable with some records of Buddhist monks chanting etc.
for me the important thing was to interact with the music during the track so I could express some emotion directly to the audience and share the moment with them, that's the most important thing.
Also why not consider some other things to make it special...have some 2 or 3 trakcs that yo only play live but don't release to people...or play simpler mixes of your tracks live, to make the tune familiar but with more 'energy' than perfect production (like a rock band which plays an acoustic version of their hit record).
you know, the feeling of listening to music in your living room for pleasure is so different from the feeling at a party with many people dancing and the LOUD speakers etc., so you have some room to change your style and make it different from the pre-recorded version.
I'm thinking a lot about GMS now...I haven't seen them for several years or heard any stuff lately, but several years ago their live 'system' was to have pre-recorded backing tracks but 2 or 4 tracks of MIDI going out to a Nord Lead and some other gear...and the backing tracks sometimes had sections repeated or a bit changed from the album version. For many people GMS is too much 'formula music' and I understand that, but they had a very good feeling for what is enjoyable at a party.
Maybe sometimes we can get too obsessed over 'this must be good because it's my art!!' and we should remember that DJs and musicians are also there to be entertainers. If you can use some techno tricks to add a unique or special element to your live set and people have a better time when they hear that, then it doesn't have to be as perfect or beautiful as what you do in the studio...as long as you don't destroy people's ears by mistake! |
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Kasmakaja
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 05:19
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for me this discussion is absolutly pointless...like always here...u all have to much time,
why do u care about such things,
why dont u just sit back and relax..let the guys do real live or fake live,
whatever, they present there music and thats fine.
what the hell should the word "producer set" change aside from ur personal satisfaction.
(and for some guys here, i think its the only thing that counts beside pointing fingers at other people.)
no one will even notice and nothing will change apart from a stupid word...start to write emails to alot of companies that they advertise their products not right and that they are lying. 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 05:35
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 06:09
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On 2008-03-20 05:19, Kasmakaja wrote:
what the hell should the word "producer set" change aside from ur personal satisfaction.
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u meen
-Dj Set
-Producer Set
-Spacebar Live
-Decks & Fx / Decks & Loops / Decks & synth
-Full Ableton Live
-Full Real Midi Live
-Full Real living peaple play on instruments and little playback between songs
-Full Real living peaple playing Live on instrument with no cds around at all
yap , i think the peaple on the dancefloor realy care
as far i care i never asked anything to be written next to my name exept label and country if im not at home
and usualy no one write anything
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they can write if they want "sattel battle vs nordlead" "sattel battle on pioneer 1000 +mixer 800" or "Produces Set" or "who cares"
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 11:03
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In the end I agree.... you all free to do what you want. Hopefully good parties with real people will still continue to exist. this is why I don't party much anymore. Lazyness, Lack of soul and creativity have replaces this superb style once really psychedelic with the more new age crap along with comedians and playback....
If thats the way its got to be then so be it. You'll leave a bunch of tasteful artist stand out for their real performance. It surely atracts a smaller crowd but this is quality. this is for the good experience. On drug or not won't make the difference because you came to enjoy the music and the people.
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