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RhinoCeros
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Posted : Jul 16, 2016 20:20:18
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RhinoCeros
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Posted : Jul 16, 2016 20:20
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L66 2days work
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L66
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Posted : Jul 23, 2016 11:22
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Hey mate,
It needs more polish and a lot more elements (personally), maybe change up the timing signature a bit, use various samples. It kind of sounds very stale and quite repetitive to me. Make it more exciting and unique, fill it up with samples, synths and change around the baseline a bit. It gets a bit boring listening to a rolling bassline for 30 minutes.
Get some artists you prefer or aspire to sound like, load a song in your project and use it as reference (don't flat out copy) just to get more of an idea where you should be placing your sounds on the scheme of things and to get better with arrangement, as it is very important to captivate the listener/dancer/whatever, otherwise they lose interest.
Try making a song in 3/4 or 5/4 and change the tempo up a bit as this sound like is just monotone the whole way through and it needs some actual peaks of excitement in the music.
Play with percussion a little, mixing it up and maybe load a few samples into a drum machine or battery and create a rhythmic percussive loop, instead of just kick snare hit the whole way through.
Work more on your build ups too, as they lack any kind of punch, and the risers sound like they are too dry and generic, try play with lfo and stereo spread on your synths a lot more, create an atmosphere , use reverbs and delays and filter modulation and also play with pitch modulations too.
Im guessing you made everything from scratch? if so good job, but you need to add a lot more work into your synthesis to make it interesting to the listener and the main part to make it glue with the rest of your track. This doesn't feel like its a living and breathing song yet - there are too many gaps in your arrangement of sounds to make it sound complete - still sounds like a demo.
I know thats a lot to digest here, but it takes times. With every track you make it takes time and you will eventually start to see patterns and new ways to tackle problems and come to greater solutions.
Let me know if there is any help you need along the way bro and keep it up!
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basefree
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Posted : Jul 24, 2016 05:45
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I've had a bit of a long day but here goes lol...L66 also touched on some good point so I'll try not to overlap too much...
Sorry for the blocks of text but read through it and I think it will help.
- The bassline needs a lot of work. You seem to have this grit down but I don't really view the bassline as a "danceable" bassline. This begs the question of what exactly you're going for if you weren't intending it to be a danceable bassline...Were you trying to go for something else?
- If you were trying to make a danceable bassline I would focus a lot of your time on really crafting "your" bassline sound(s). Basslines take a lot of work and, apart from the kick, are largely the core of a psy track. I'm not really sure what tips to give you apart from the obvious "go explore and experiment." If you want any help or advice on making basslines, feel free to pm me and I'll do the best I can to help you out without telling you what you "should" do.
- This is just me and I know that a lot of producers would disagree with me on this one but really, really try not sampling percussion. It's really tempting when you hear a really "good" hi hat or snare and think "oh man that would fit so well with just a little bit of eq." That's great for simpler tracks but if you learn to synthesize percussion you get all the benefits of a more personalized sound, infinitely more flexibility in terms of controlling the sound, and all of the automation benefits that come from tweaking all those knobs on your synth. Whenever I hear sampled percussion I pretty much just tend to tune out to be honest. Again this is just me but I definitely have a very strong bias against it for reasons that I think are pretty sound.
- It seems like you have a good conceptual framework for the overall composition, not the lead composition necessarily--which is nice and rare to hear these days in psy. While it sounds like you've got the basic idea down, the execution falls behind tremendously. It's basically just an energy issue. Some rises don't have enough energy, some breaks down have enough of a low-energy vibe to them, etc (pretty much the two extremes). A lot of this just comes down to getting lots of moving parts to work together. So for a high energy lead into a break (like you do with the kick many times) you need to have a high-energy/inspirational kick, a good driving bassline (gallp, full-on, off-beat, any combination, wtv--doesn't matter the composition), good percussion to back up that drive and connect to the leads, and leads that are energetic enough to really give you that special BOOM into the break or next mini-phrase. This is why it's really important to build sounds that work cohesively and compliment each other. There are lots of times where people post tracks and the sounds are cool individually but don't work together and this is where they run into problems in the track.
- It's really hard to see exactly what it is you're going for in this piece. Like there's not a lot of compositional depth and the individual sounds that are playing don't really take a stance. Are they energetic? Are they relaxing? What exactly are they?
- A good rule of thumb is also to "earn your artwork." If listeners listen to your piece and look at the artwork and think: "where did he get that from?" then the track didn't do it's job very well. Obviously this is a very subjective thing but in many ways it also isn't...Something to keep in mind.
After a while, 1/3 or the way in, I just feel it's more of the same to be honest.
You said this was a set you were working on...what exactly are you working on with this set? How are you making this?
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RhinoCeros
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Posted : Jul 24, 2016 16:59
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@l66 Dear man thank you for your time  Always great full to here back from you
@basefree I would like to thank you as well, It is very appreciated
Gents,
I started this project and was quite amazed at how i could use eg: 6 different synths differently tuned so i have 1 Ableton live set runing for 40 min and i started to loop the first song over and over then change the melody notes/patterns around and started a new track every time.
After that i could not stop it felt inspiring ME thinking i have that special map figured out but as you refer inputting a favourite song into the daw for reference would be better.. So i was kinda creating template. I will have to do as you say l66 and import a fav song once and for all i need to map the elements correctly.. As for different time sig's, yea i would like to have diferent one too.....I will add some polish
@basefree Yes,I hear you loud and clear art work would be a part of it too. As for all the rest of you great comments especially about perc.. I will and i should apologize i was lazy with percussion  Maybe i will ask for some bassline help lets see how i develop because that would be nice of you
Guys Thanks billions and trillions of hugs and thanks, When i get a chance i should try do as you both mentioned..
:)
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